Mass shooting at Century 16 in Aurora

[theGinsue]

Our Southern neighbor chimed in...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Mexico_urges_U.S._to_review_gun_laws_after_Colorad o_shooting.html?cid=33157824



Who are they joking? They have much stricter gun control laws in place and we know how safe it is there.

Hey, let's not lose our head about this..... Like so many do in old Mexico.

Maybe, if Mexico focused on their own problems they wouldn't have people fleeing their country to the U.S. like a bunch of 14 year old girls trying to get into a Justin Bieber concert. And maybe, just maybe, if they allowed their citizens to be armed for self-defense they wouldn't have such a mortality rate from cartel violence. Oh, and then too, if they watched their borders to control drugs & drug products from entering & leaving, the cartels would be put out of business.

So, my words to Mexico are simply: Mind to your own affairs before you start sticking your nose into the affairs of other countries. Until then, STFU you ignorant, 3rd world country!

[HoneyBadger]

STFU you ignorant, 3rd world country!

[ROFL1]

[Fentonite]

Our Southern neighbor chimed in...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Mexico_urges_U.S._to_review_gun_laws_after_Colorad o_shooting.html?cid=33157824



Who are they joking? They have much stricter gun control laws in place and we know how safe it is there.

Matthew 7:4
How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?

[jackthewall81]

Let's do what Mexico does! They are so successful, why don't we listen to them and do what they do to better our great country!


Shit.

[SAnd]

Going back to the concealed carry thing...

How many of the mass shooting incidents have not occurred in a gun-free zone. All the shootings I can remember have been where guns are prohibited. Would the shooter have targeted the theater if it allowed CCW and it was known that people actually carried there? I'm thinking he would have picked an easier target crowd. I doubt it would have completely stopped him.

I also wonder if he would have done this out of his parents basement in California if the our state had a reputation for self defense.

John Lott showed statistically how the possible presence of a gun can deter crime. That argues for more guns, not less. Or more transparency in gun presence.

I didn't originate this Idea but I thought it was worth bringing up, maybe again.

[Fentonite]

Let's do what Mexico does! They are so successful, why don't we listen to them and do what they do to better our great country!


Shit.

Agreed. "La Raza" Is a movement to take over our country. Illegals are fleeing their own country, because it is so messed up. And if they take over ours, wouldn't it be logical to assume that they would turn it into the same mess they came from? As Dr. Phil says (according to my wife), "the best predictor of future behavior, is past behavior". We are doomed.

[10mm-man]

Going back to the concealed carry thing...

Would the shooter have targeted the theater if it allowed CCW and it was known that people actually carried there?

CCW is allowed there...... Signs with "no guns allowed" has no legality to it for a CCW/CHP holder and a CCW can be worn.... Open carry however can not be done were signs are posted.... I do agree though that this is "possibly" why he (and other freaks) might target gun free zones. They sure wouldn't target a group of gun owners, who would fire back!

[jackthewall81]

Agreed. "La Raza" Is a movement to take over our country. Illegals are fleeing their own country, because it is so messed up. And if they take over ours, wouldn't it be logical to assume that they would turn it into the same mess they came from? As Dr. Phil says (according to my wife), "the best predictor of future behavior, is past behavior". We are doomed.

I hope you are wrong.

[10mm-man]

I hope you are wrong.

Nope I believe he is right... They have a goal to take back the land of "old Mexico" before the war.

[jackthewall81]

Nope I believe he is right... They have a goal to take back the land of "old Mexico" before the war.

How long do we have? [ROFL2]

[10mm-man]

How long do we have? [ROFL2]

There was a video of illegals crossing into the USA, it had a count of something like 2000+ crossing in 1 day! This happens everyday! You tell me....

[jackthewall81]

There was a video of illegals crossing into the USA, it had a count of something like 2000+ crossing in 1 day! This happens everyday! You tell me....

Not long, I guess. What can we do about it?

[spyder]

Not long, I guess. What can we do about it?
Well we sure as hell can't tell the president, as he wants their votes.... [Bang]

[10mm-man]

Not long, I guess. What can we do about it?

I believe in organization and taking an active part in the system. So maybe vote only those in who believe in closing our borders to illegals and protecting our country??? I do not know...........

[WETWRKS]

CCW is allowed there...... Signs with "no guns allowed" has no legality to it for a CCW/CHP holder and a CCW can be worn.... Open carry however can not be done were signs are posted.... I do agree though that this is "possibly" why he (and other freaks) might target gun free zones. They sure wouldn't target a group of gun owners, who would fire back!

Actually they can ask you to leave if they have reason to believe you are armed. They cannot charge you with a crime for entering with a concealed firearm but they can charge you with tresspass if you don't leave when asked. My suspission is that they will request you leave if they find out you are armed.

[10mm-man]

Actually they can ask you to leave if they have reason to believe you are armed. They cannot charge you with a crime for entering with a concealed firearm but they can charge you with tresspass if you don't leave when asked. My suspission is that they will request you leave if they find out you are armed.

True but if you are doing it correctly then no fuss..... Another argument is why patronize a place that doesn't support you? I am coming more in line with that and don't think i will be supporting such a place CCW or not...

[SA Friday]

...and the news is saying the dastardly high cap drum mag jammed and he had to transition to another firearm... Had to of been a Beta-C. That evil high cap mag probably saved lives.

[Circuits]

...and the news is saying the dastardly high cap drum mag jammed and he had to transition to another firearm... Had to of been a Beta-C. That evil high cap mag probably saved lives.

Korean knockoff of beta-c

[Scanker19]

True but if you are doing it correctly then no fuss..... Another argument is why patronize a place that doesn't support you? I am coming more in line with that and don't think i will be supporting such a place CCW or not...

Same reason I use PayPal to buy.... um....... stuff. It secretly pisses them off in my mind and that makes me feel better.

[RCCrawler]

I can't tell if you're serious about this or not...

I was simply passing it on, not too sure what to believe at this point.

[Skully]

There is so much simply wrong information in there that I can't take any of the "theories" seriously.

You don't need special access to government supply depots to get body armor or gas masks. You need a surplus store.

You don't need to be highly trained to make explosive and incendiary devices. You need a basic understanding of chemistry and a hardware store.

You don't need to be highly funded to get the weapons and ammunition used. You need a credit card you aren't worrying about paying off.

You don't need a government conspiracy to murder people in a movie theater. You need one psychopath with a willingness to kill the innocent and a plan.

Homeboy needs to loosen his tinfoil. I'm disappointed to see something like that posted here. Next, are we going to start talking about how 9/11 was an inside job planned by Bush?

Shoot, no dont put on your tinfoil hats yet, that natural news article falls in line with an Onion article.

........but it makes you think a little, it hasn't even been 72 hours since the incident, investigators are stilling working it, now they have a 2nd interest that has disappeared. News media are on overdrive spewing out their garble-de-gook. Once you screen out the political agendas and sensationalism what you have left doesn't all match and the only person so far that can answer that is in custody and we are told not much being said. SO sometimes the situation isn't always so cut and dry as we hear it.

Another member from this forum on Friday made a good statement as we were discussing this. This is the first "large" massacre where the perpetrator did not off himself or was shot by LEOs. Should be an interest next couple months. Unfortunately no matter what the outcome all this will lead to, the fact is those who lost their life or their loved ones will never have it back

[Mick-Boy]

Shoot, no dont put on your tinfoil hats yet, that natural news article falls in line with an Onion article.

........but it makes you think a little, it hasn't even been 72 hours since the incident, investigators are stilling working it, now they have a 2nd interest that has disappeared. News media are on overdrive spewing out their garble-de-gook. Once you screen out the political agendas and sensationalism what you have left doesn't all match and the only person so far that can answer that is in custody and we are told not much being said. SO sometimes the situation isn't always so cut and dry as we hear it.

Another member from this forum on Friday made a good statement as we were discussing this. This is the first "large" massacre where the perpetrator did not off himself or was shot by LEOs. Should be an interest next couple months. Unfortunately no matter what the outcome all this will lead to, the fact is those who lost their life or their loved ones will never have it back

We don't know if it matches. We don't know why he did it, why he stopped, or why he told the cops about the IEDs in his apartment. But here's the thing. We don't really need to know at this point.

Maybe there are other things playing out. There are almost certainly undisclosed elements. This whole "the people have a right to know" attitude that permeates everything these days needs to stop. Sometimes making too much information public is counter-productive and even dangerous.

Also, it's not the first large scale shooting where the shooter was taken alive. Look at Brevik in Oslo.

This man now has the attention of the entire country in order to make his point.

[dwalker460]

This man now has the attention of the entire country in order to make his point.

Exactly, and I am waiting for the other shoe to drop..

[Skully]

We don't really need to know at this point.

Maybe there are other things playing out. There are almost certainly undisclosed elements. This whole "the people have a right to know" attitude that permeates everything these days needs to stop. Sometimes making too much information public is counter-productive and even dangerous.


This man now has the attention of the entire country in order to make his point.

Yap, you made a point I was thinking as well.

Society has much to blame for the Media's insatiable appetite for spewing what they do.

Look at what is the most popular things to watch on TV? Reality tv, people love to watch others misery......sad really. :(

[Not_A_Llama]

Another member from this forum on Friday made a good statement as we were discussing this. This is the first "large" massacre where the perpetrator did not off himself or was shot by LEOs.

Jared Lee Loughner.

I suspect just as nuts.

[ChadAmberg]

I'm really surprised about what Hickenlooper just said on TV.


Hickenlooper told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week" that Holmes was diabolical and he would have found a way to create this horror even if he did not have access to guns. Hickenlooper says Holmes would have used explosives, poisonous gas or some other method to create the terror.

Was that an aneurism I just heard explode in Bloomberg's head?

[Ridge]

Why does the media insist on using the middle name as well? Are they trying to keep the tradition of the three named killer?

[Skully]

Not sure if this was posted already (i did not see it linked looking at the last 24hrs) but the article is dated today (07/22/12) at 4:22am.

............but we ARE mentioned in the article. So smile for the camera! [Tooth]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/a-look-at-the-aurora-shooter-s-guns-including-the-ar-15.html

Again they spew false info about firearms and purchases and even call out pro gun politician that have talked about AR15's in the past and made a reference to Palin and holding an 870 for shotgun magazine................really??

[sellersm]

Why does the media insist on using the middle name as well? Are they trying to keep the tradition of the three named killer?

Yep. 3 names are more evil than two. Perhaps they should ban having 3 names? [Coffee]

[StagLefty]

The media is absolutely out of control as usual when it comes to news like this.
"Person of Interest" Aurora police chief just said that any person who had a lot of contact with perp will probably be contacted to get a more in depth profile of him and see what his conduct had been lately.

[Adawg38]

Had someone on my fb post this. WTF? I am gonna start deleting people. I told them that magazine doesn't hold 100 rounds it holds 30 and then someone else replied 30 too much! Ridiculous!

[Teufelhund]

Not sure if this was posted already (i did not see it linked looking at the last 24hrs) but the article is dated today (07/22/12) at 4:22am.

............but we ARE mentioned in the article. So smile for the camera! [Tooth]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/a-look-at-the-aurora-shooter-s-guns-including-the-ar-15.html

Again they spew false info about firearms and purchases and even call out pro gun politician that have talked about AR15's in the past and made a reference to Palin and holding an 870 for shotgun magazine................really??

They even quoted Ginsue. [Beer]

Of course, they also said that it's pretty easy to get a permit to open carry in Colorado. /facepalm.

[josh7328]

Not sure if this was posted already (i did not see it linked looking at the last 24hrs) but the article is dated today (07/22/12) at 4:22am.

............but we ARE mentioned in the article. So smile for the camera! [Tooth]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/a-look-at-the-aurora-shooter-s-guns-including-the-ar-15.html

Again they spew false info about firearms and purchases and even call out pro gun politician that have talked about AR15's in the past and made a reference to Palin and holding an 870 for shotgun magazine................really??
Wow! Talk about COMPLETELY INCORRECT "facts" all over that article.

[10mm-man]

Had someone on my fb post this. WTF? I am gonna start deleting people. I told them that magazine doesn't hold 100 rounds it holds 30 and then someone else replied 30 too much! Ridiculous!

Actually the extended mags hold 60 and I do think 100 or 120. So no not wrong, totally...

[Squeeze]

Actually the extended mags hold 60 and I do think 100 or 120. So no not wrong, totally...

Correct, however the one being used in the photo is a standard 30-round GI magazine.

[buckshotbarlow]

how many bodies were hanging from the mexican overpasses a couple months ago? Mexico needs to stay out of our bizness!

As for the media, quit using google for your primary research method.

Last but not least, my wife and I are praying for the folks involved...


Our Southern neighbor chimed in...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Mexico_urges_U.S._to_review_gun_laws_after_Colorad o_shooting.html?cid=33157824



Who are they joking? They have much stricter gun control laws in place and we know how safe it is there.

[Adawg38]

Actually the extended mags hold 60 and I do think 100 or 120. So no not wrong, totally...


I know that I was just replying on the mag in the pic. I see more people with 30rd mags than 100rd mags. Pics like that to me always point out the extreme as if everyone that has an AR is using 100rd mags.

[10mm-man]

Correct, however the one being used in the photo is a standard 30-round GI magazine.

Yea, so they got lazy and couldn't find the right pic......

[10mm-man]

Pics like that to me always point out the extreme as if everyone that has an AR is using 100rd mags.

Your doing it wrong if your not!! [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

Actually I think everyone should have the drums....[AR15]

[trlcavscout]

Holy shit that article is poorly written and under researched, what an idiot. "AR's were banned during the AWB", "rugged 870", "easy to obtain a permit to open carry". What ever happened to reporting the facts instead of your opinions or magical unicorns? When did members of the media become so dumb?

[XC700116]

Holy shit that article is poorly written and under researched, what an idiot. "AR's were banned during the AWB", "rugged 870", "easy to obtain a permit to open carry". What ever happened to reporting the facts instead of your opinions or magical unicorns? When did members of the media become so dumb?

When members of the populous quit taking them to task, that and when the internet gave every idiot with a website the title of "Journalist".

[theGinsue]

Wow! Talk about COMPLETELY INCORRECT "facts" all over that article.

Remember, his job is to sensationalize events - facts be damned.

Back in 1986 I rescued a person from drowning. I was interviewed by the Base newspaper of the Base I was assigned to. Most every comment I made was twisted around. I was young and didn't pick my words carefully enough to avoid letting that happen. I learned a very important lesson from that situation. If this sort of thing would occur in a military publication, it would surely happen with civilian publications as well. I also learned over time that if you don't want to see your name next to something you said in print, watch what you say.

The writer of this particular article doesn't know his facts, as is true with most everybody. He's clearly got an anti-gun agenda and can't be bothered to report the facts. This is why I warned that we have to watch everything we say; not just now, but always. If you give the anti's the ammunition to use against the 2nd Amendment, they WILL use it!

ETA: Since the media has no interest in reporting the facts, it's up to people like us to counter this mis-information with the facts. This is a difficult task given that they control the primary means to reach out to the bulk of the populous, millions at a time. That diesn't mean we can't make a positive impact. Reach out to all you know and educate them. Even one at a time will help to get the facts out there. Invite non-shooters to join you at the range. Let them shoot your firearms to see just how misinformed they are about these guns. Learn the laws, past & present and inform the people. Even one man can make a difference.

[cstone]

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; ..."

Just because Congress shall make no law does not prohibit reasonable men from practicing discretion in what issues from their mouths. In other words; Just because you think it, doesn't mean it needs to be spoken.

Or

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

[th3w01f]

Yep. 3 names are more evil than two. Perhaps they should ban having 3 names? [Coffee]
From the movie Conspiracy Theory -

Jerry (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/): David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Richard Speck...
Alice (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000210/): What about them?
Jerry (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/): Serial killers. Serial killers only have two names. You ever notice that? But lone gunmen assassins, they always have three names. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman...
Alice (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000210/): John Hinckley. He shot Reagan. He only has two names.
Jerry (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/): Yeah, but he only just shot Reagan. Reagan didn't die. If Reagan had died, I'm pretty sure we probably would all know what John Hinckley's middle name was.

[Jer]

Had someone on my fb post this. WTF? I am gonna start deleting people. I told them that magazine doesn't hold 100 rounds it holds 30 and then someone else replied 30 too much! Ridiculous!

Actually, they say '100 bullets' which isn't a round. It's 100 projectiles which at 55 grains might just be able to fit 100 of in a standard GI magazine. [Tooth]

Fucking media. [Bang]

[SuperiorDG]

Shooting suspect gun club membership rejected

By NICHOLAS RICCARDI and GILLIAN FLACCUS








AURORA, Colo. (AP) - Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes applied to join a Colorado gun range but never became a member after the owner became concerned over his "bizarre" message and behavior.
Owner Glenn Rotkovich says Holmes emailed an application to join the Lead Valley Range in Byers on June 25 and there were no overt warning signs in that form.
Holmes said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, so Rotkovich followed up by calling Holmes' apartment to invite him to a mandatory orientation the following week.
Rotkovich got Holmes' answering machine and says "it was bizarre - guttural, freakish at best."
(http://apnews.myway.com/image/20120722/Colorado_Shooting.sff_COEA102_20120722114855.html? date=20120722&docid=DA064ILG2)
Rotkovich left two other messages but eventually told his staff to watch for Holmes at the July 1 orientation and not to accept him into the club.

Makes me wounder what I would do if I know a fellow gun owner was "bizarre - guttural, freakish at best."

[Fmedges]

Who are they to judge how much is too much?

[cofi]

Shooting suspect gun club membership rejected

By NICHOLAS RICCARDI and GILLIAN FLACCUS








AURORA, Colo. (AP) - Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes applied to join a Colorado gun range but never became a member after the owner became concerned over his "bizarre" message and behavior.
Owner Glenn Rotkovich says Holmes emailed an application to join the Lead Valley Range in Byers on June 25 and there were no overt warning signs in that form.
Holmes said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, so Rotkovich followed up by calling Holmes' apartment to invite him to a mandatory orientation the following week.
Rotkovich got Holmes' answering machine and says "it was bizarre - guttural, freakish at best."
(http://apnews.myway.com/image/20120722/Colorado_Shooting.sff_COEA102_20120722114855.html? date=20120722&docid=DA064ILG2)
Rotkovich left two other messages but eventually told his staff to watch for Holmes at the July 1 orientation and not to accept him into the club.

Makes me wounder what I would do if I know a fellow gun owner was "bizarre - guttural, freakish at best."


wonder what the message said

[BPTactical]

+1 for Glenn. Trusted his gut.

Something we all need to do a little more often.

[SA Friday]

+1 for Glenn. Trusted his gut.

Something we all need to do a little more often.

+2. He probably thought, "this guy ain't right in the head, no thanks."

[osok-308]

+1 for Glenn. Trusted his gut.

Something we all need to do a little more often.
Well, it's a good thing he didn't allow Holmes in, otherwise with practice, we may be dealing with even more casualties in this despicable tragedy.

[bellavite1]

+1 Glenn.
Good job!

[Ridge]

Denver Post has a poll on their website asking if we need more gun laws. So far the No's are winning 13,000 to 10,000

[10mm-man]

Denver Post has a poll on their website asking if we need more gun laws. So far the No's are winning 13,000 to 10,000

Can you send a link, needs one more NO!

[yankeefan98121]

middle of the page, right hand side of denverpost.com

[Ridge]

Can you send a link, needs one more NO!

denverpost.com don't hotlink it, they can track the source of the click that way.

[SideShow Bob]

Well, it's a good thing he didn't allow Holmes in, otherwise with practice, we may be dealing with even more casualties in this despicable tragedy.

Or maybe he would have had an outlet and place to vent some frustration, possibly make some friends and this might never have happened..............
You never know.....

[Mazin]

how many bodies were hanging from the mexican overpasses a couple months ago? Mexico needs to stay out of our bizness!

As for the media, quit using google for your primary research method.

Last but not least, my wife and I are praying for the folks involved...

Yep,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

Wow look at that they allow Citizens to own Semi-auto Rifles....WTF do they consider an AR to be?

The reason why their country is overrun with violence is the restriction and and the fact that the Two Major Factions in control are the Government and the Cartels (if there is a difference). The average person is too poor to stand up because they are in essence slaves. Yea mexico is a real role model for the rest of the world alright.

History has taught us what happens when we allow restrictions to be put up against our right to defend ourselves, the peaceful utopia created by man is a myth and will never be achieved because certain men are just evil. Our country was built upon what few realized, to truly be free you need to have the right to protect yourself from inherently evil men. Our forefathers are Genius' for the 2nd Amendment.

Now more than ever people need the right to protect themselves. By the addition of restrictions the only thing you achieve is loss of freedom, your submitting to foreign rule, eventually giving yourself up into slavery. What do you think the wave of terrorist attacks will be in the future? It will be not the airport, it will be the largest amount of people in the smallest amount of space. The Walmart's, Sporting venues, Churches, Movie theaters, Restaurants. It would make perfect sense to introduce bans now, let more innocent people get killed for the lack of ability and means to defend themselves
Just my $.2

[jonny450r]

Not sure if this was posted already (i did not see it linked looking at the last 24hrs) but the article is dated today (07/22/12) at 4:22am.

............but we ARE mentioned in the article. So smile for the camera! [Tooth]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/a-look-at-the-aurora-shooter-s-guns-including-the-ar-15.html

Again they spew false info about firearms and purchases and even call out pro gun politician that have talked about AR15's in the past and made a reference to Palin and holding an 870 for shotgun magazine................really??
worst article I've ever read and that is whey I hate the media and the politicians that use it for their own political gain. So if Perlmutter's camp is reading this. I can't wait for the voting booth to come along and you get your dumb ignorant ass voted out of office.

[DaBull]

Wow. The Daily Beast author is getting a real education in the comment section.

[Ridge]

Interesting -- Holmes denied membership to range?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31293894/detail.html

Check last page ;)

[GilpinGuy]

Ridge, what happened with the WBC crowd?

[Ridge]

I didn't go. From what I'm hearing, they showed up hours before scheduled, took some photos of their signs at the crosses, then ran like hell claiming victory.

[GilpinGuy]

I didn't go. From what I'm hearing, they showed up hours before scheduled, took some photos of their signs at the crosses, then ran like hell claiming victory.

Typical behavior for f*cking cowards.

[O2HeN2]

...since the policy worked SO well for Cinemark...

These are taken at the Hollywood Theater, Interquest Parkway in Colorado Springs:

http://www.nankoweap.com/pictures/hollywood_gfz0.jpg

http://www.nankoweap.com/pictures/hollywood_gfz1.jpg

A couple takeaways to understand the antis:


No amount of training is enough to make you a good guy.
No background check is good enough to make you a good guy.
There is no difference between a law-abiding gun owner and a deranged murderer.
And of course, to complete the lack of logic, it's safe to assume that a deranged murderer will go elsewhere when they see the sign.



It absolutely boggles my mind that a company would take the exact same position as another that had suffered such a devastating act and think it's the right thing to do.

Hollywood Theater Interquest Parkway
11250 Rampart Hill View
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
Phone: (719) 434-3848

Hollywood Theaters
919 SW Taylor
Portland, OR 97205
Phone: (503) 221-7090
Fax: (503) 796-0229

O2

[10mm-man]

...since the policy worked SO well for Cinemark...

These are taken at the Hollywood Theater, Interquest Parkway in Colorado Springs:

http://www.nankoweap.com/pictures/hollywood_gfz0.jpg

http://www.nankoweap.com/pictures/hollywood_gfz1.jpg

A couple takeaways to understand the antis:


No amount of training is enough to make you a good guy.
No background check is good enough to make you a good guy.
There is no difference between a law-abiding gun owner and a deranged murderer.
And of course, to complete the lack of logic, it's safe to assume that a deranged murderer will go elsewhere when they see the sign.



It absolutely boggles my mind that a company would take the exact same position as another that had suffered such a devastating act and think it's the right thing to do.

Hollywood Theater Interquest Parkway
11250 Rampart Hill View
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
Phone: (719) 434-3848

Hollywood Theaters
919 SW Taylor
Portland, OR 97205
Phone: (503) 221-7090
Fax: (503) 796-0229

O2


My boy wanted to go to the movies today. I explained that if they don't support our safety and our right then I was not gonna support them! Boycott on movie theaters for me, until there policy changes...

I explained them not wanting guns there and he was flabbergasted at the fact it goes against our right to protect ourselves...

[Rooskibar03]

middle of the page, right hand side of denverpost.com

Got my no vote in.

[HoneyBadger]

...since the policy worked SO well for Cinemark...

These are taken at the Hollywood Theater, Interquest Parkway in Colorado Springs:

http://www.nankoweap.com/pictures/hollywood_gfz0.jpg


O2



Soooo... Judging by the reflection in the window.... You're Batman? [ROFL1]

[Fentonite]

Soooo... Judging by the reflection in the window.... You're Batman? [ROFL1]

Everybody knows that the HoneyBadger is Batman. Duh.

[theGinsue]

Maybe, but HoneyBadger don't give a sh*t

[cofi]

Is that the theater right next to that Ai sushi place???

[theGinsue]

Naw. If he went to the Hollywood theater, it was by Cheddars... By New Life Church.. Interquest Parkway & I-25.

[Cochese]

I was a responding officer on the scene. I was there for about five hours. It was the worst thing I've ever seen at work, to include Hurricane Katrina when I was a Texas LEO.

I also worked OT in Aurora for the POTUS visit and vigil at Headquarters.

My thoughts and prayers are in heavy rotation for the victims.

[theGinsue]

Cochese - a huge THANK YOU!

What you experienced as an LEO is something that I wish fewer individuals would have to experience. You and all of the other officers who responded are HEROES for how quickly you responded, taking care of the wounded, getting wounded to the hospital, and getting control of this murderous POS - and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Please pass on to the other members of your team just how much we appreciate your efforts and are glad you are there.

[Rucker61]

Cochese - a huge THANK YOU!

What you experienced as an LEO is something that I wish fewer individuals would have to experience. You and all of the other officers who responded are HEROES for how quickly you responded, taking care of the wounded, getting wounded to the hospital, and getting control of this murderous POS - and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Please pass on to the other members of your team just how much we appreciate your efforts and are glad you are there.

I'd like to add my thanks here, too. Well done, sir, to you and all your compatriots.

[Cochese]

It was my honor to do what I could.

[bellavite1]

[Beer]
It was my honor to do what I could.

[Skully]

Cochese - a huge THANK YOU!

What you experienced as an LEO is something that I wish fewer individuals would have to experience. You and all of the other officers who responded are HEROES for how quickly you responded, taking care of the wounded, getting wounded to the hospital, and getting control of this murderous POS - and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Please pass on to the other members of your team just how much we appreciate your efforts and are glad you are there.

GINSUE said is best [Beer]

You have a tough job to begin with............

[Cylinder Head]

I was a responding officer on the scene. I was there for about five hours. It was the worst thing I've ever seen at work, to include Hurricane Katrina when I was a Texas LEO.

I also worked OT in Aurora for the POTUS visit and vigil at Headquarters.

My thoughts and prayers are in heavy rotation for the victims.

Well done. You and your fellow officers established yourselves as the finest in Law Enforcement this past week. I am truly amazed at just how well this situation was handled by you guys.

[spleify]

Cochese - a huge THANK YOU!


+1 to what theGinsue said. Many many thanks and if you or any of the other officers need anything or just a ear to bend please let me know I will do whatever I can to help out.

Thanks for what you do.

[BPTactical]

It was my honor to do what I could.

Thank You

[O2HeN2]

Soooo... Judging by the reflection in the window.... You're Batman? [ROFL1]
Nope, the name I coined for myself to poke fun at all my friends that were being consumed by D&D was "Blundar, The Vegetarian"! :)

O2

[Singlestack]

I just sent the following email to Cinemark theatres:

"How on earth could you allow the Aurora theatre massacre to happen, with a no firearms policy? You are trying to make your theatres safer for people, but in the end just made one into a deathtrap - with no possibility of stopping the shooting before it started, or just after it started. When seconds counted, the police were only a minute or two away. Me and my family will be avoiding your theatres at all costs, for our own safety, as they are free fire zones for criminals".

These free fire zones - especially the private businesses - need to hear about the impact of their policies on your patronage.

Singlestack

[spleify]

I just sent the following email to Cinemark theatres:

"How on earth could you allow the Aurora theatre massacre to happen, with a no firearms policy? You are trying to make your theatres safer for people, but in the end just made one into a deathtrap - with no possibility of stopping the shooting before it started, or just after it started. When seconds counted, the police were only a minute or two away. Me and my family will be avoiding your theatres at all costs, for our own safety, as they are free fire zones for criminals".

These free fire zones - especially the private businesses - need to hear about the impact of their policies on your patronage.

Singlestack


I appreciate you efforts here and totally agree with you, but you should have mentioned "lawfully carrying concealed with a permit" somewhere. To just walk in there with firearms is one thing, carrying concealed with a permit is another.

JM2C

Thanks for your efforts in sending this to them, and again I do agree with you and see your point I am just worried they will not understand that there are law abiding citizens that go through the appropriate training and channels to be able to carry legally to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

[Singlestack]

Great point, and I will send a follow up explaining that better.

Singlestack

[dwalker460]

I think we take for granted that the people who make these sorts of policies actually recognize that it is absolutely legal to carry open or concealed with permit. Rather than taking the time to understand the reality they just put signs up saying dont do it. They have no way of enforcing this, its just there so that IF something happens they feel like they are covered. One would also think they had consulted legal consul regarding these sorts of actions but I kind of doubt it.

Like so much of our modern society, policies are not based on common sense but rather what a lawyer could possibly prove in a courtroom somewhere at some time that may or may not happen but still might.

[cstone]

Mr. Dow,

Perhaps you enjoy living under the laws of the British monarchy.

We did not, so we do not. When the British crown sent soldiers to take our guns, our forefathers fought. They kept their guns and sent the British packing.

The rest of the world has benefited in some small measure from our American freedom. We like it the way we are, and like our forefathers, we will fight anyone who comes to take either our guns or our freedom.

Thank you for sharing. I wish you happiness living as a subject of the British crown (more German than Scottish). [Beer]

[theGinsue]

PM I just sent him:



Mr. Dow,

You've chosen the wrong venue and audience to express your beliefs for more firearms legislation.

You've also chosen to blame the tool for tragedies such as this and not place the blame where it belongs - on the person behind the trigger.

Your presence is not appreciated on this site and as such I am banning you.

Good day to you sir.

theGinsue
Site Admin

[Ronin13]

PM I just sent him:



Mr. Dow,

You've chosen the wrong venue and audience to express your beliefs for more firearms legislation.

You've also chosen to blame the tool for tragedies such as this and not place the blame where it belongs - on the person behind the trigger.

Your presence is not appreciated on this site and as such I am banning you.

Good day to you sir.

theGinsue
Site Admin


Bloody well put! [Beer]
http://i.imgur.com/JL3Vc.gif

[Ronin13]

I know he's not going to see this, but for you all to consider... If having "semi-automatic military assault rifles" is so damaging to our society, Where is the United States on this list? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Umm... I can't find America on that list... this can't be right! Liberals and foreigners keep saying how bad it is here! WHERE ARE WE ON THAT LIST!!? [Coffee]

[HoneyBadger]

Umm... I can't find America on that list... this can't be right! Liberals and foreigners keep saying how bad it is here! WHERE ARE WE ON THAT LIST!!? [Coffee]

We must be making the same silly mistake... but I simply can't find it. Even using the Ctrl-F Find function in Google Chrome won't reveal the sneaky United States on this list... [Help]

[car-15]

PM I just sent him:Mr. Dow,

You've chosen the wrong venue and audience to express your beliefs for more firearms legislation.

You've also chosen to blame the tool for tragedies such as this and not place the blame where it belongs - on the person behind the trigger.

Your presence is not appreciated on this site and as such I am banning you.

Good day to you sir.

theGinsue
Site Admin

Amen!!!

[battle_sight_zero]

Don't feed theTroll!

[Ronin13]

We must be making the same silly mistake... but I simply can't find it. Even using the Ctrl-F Find function in Google Chrome won't reveal the sneaky United States on this list... [Help]

[ROFL1] Well if CTL+F doesn't work in the words of that angry lady in the 1st Star Wars prequel "If it's not in the archives then it doesn't exist!"

[Rucker61]

Actually, checking out Peter Dow's personal ad on his site was a hilarious break from this depressing topic. Some more of my faves - not only is he "very clever" and a website wizard, this dude a sexual dynamo!



Cut and pasted from Peter Dow's website:

"I am not adverse to introducing a bit of polygamy (polygyny) into my life, so if, say, sisters, women friends or bisexual women partners wanted to share me and for us all to live together as one happy family, then I'd be all for that. One woman at a time is enough to keep me happy but I'd also be happy to live with and take on more than one woman at a time, so long as I didn't have to share the women under my roof with any other man."

"When my lady moves in, I'll be expecting to have sex with her with no contraception."

What's really funny is that while Scots are considered to be very frugal, those from Aberdeen are considered by the Scottish to be especially frugal. Who'd want to live with anyone like that?

[Teufelhund]

The troll hasn't been banned yet on COGO, and he actually responded to me pretty quickly, so if you'd like to have it out with him, there's a channel. I feel like I've said my piece, so I digress.

[car-15]

To bad his parents did not use contraception

[Wiggity]

Actually, checking out Peter Dow's personal ad on his site was a hilarious break from this depressing topic. Some more of my faves - not only is he "very clever" and a website wizard, this dude a sexual dynamo!



Cut and pasted from Peter Dow's website:

"I am not adverse to introducing a bit of polygamy (polygyny) into my life, so if, say, sisters, women friends or bisexual women partners wanted to share me and for us all to live together as one happy family, then I'd be all for that. One woman at a time is enough to keep me happy but I'd also be happy to live with and take on more than one woman at a time, so long as I didn't have to share the women under my roof with any other man."

"When my lady moves in, I'll be expecting to have sex with her with no contraception."

http://www.icecreamconvos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Singlestack]

Ginsue - thanks for banning the troll. What a welfare loser!

I wanted to ask him to watch two of my favorite movies: Braveheart and the Patriot. Both have a fair amount of historical fidelity, but which Mel Gibson fared better? Not the one portraying William Wallace!

It will be sad and somewhat interesting (like watching a train wreck) to see the EU dissolve in the coming months after one country after another abandons the Euro and the British Isles succumb to muslim immigration and multiculturalism.

Singlestack

[Omicron]

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

Folks with the recent tragedy we're going to get more than normal trolls on here trying to start trouble. PLEASE, when this happens, just REPORT THE POST and DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!! It only makes it worse and a mess for the mods to clean up.

I've removed all the well-intentioned counterattacks against said troll, please don't pile any more on. Trolls aren't here to debate, or be educated, they're like terrorists in that they're here to cause terror, er, hate and discontent on the site. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

[stenz]

Mine was very nasty... I digress.

[cofi]

looks like he didnt have any armor.....

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=279073

[HoneyBadger]

ETA: Nevermind...

[00tec]

looks like he didnt have any armor.....

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=279073

That's only some of the gear.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[hollohas]

Yup, the troll sucked me in too...removed my post.

[ghettodub]

Just saw this article on Westword about how some talk show hosts handled the news.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/07/aurora_theater_shooting_craig_ferguson_jay_leno_vi deos.php

Not sure if anyone else watches him, but Craig Ferguson is a class act, and he seems very sincere.

KvY_QbxvoLA

[kanekutter05]

looks like he didnt have any armor.....

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=279073

I watched the initial briefing from Chief Oates the next day and he did say "tactical vest...tactical leggings" which I originally took to mean armored. But really tactical doesn't have much (if anything) to do with armor.

That makes me feel better that an individual with a CCW would have made a difference in this situation. All the more reason I'm going to get my CCW permit just as soon as the funds become available.

[Ronin13]

I watched the initial briefing from Chief Oates the next day and he did say "tactical vest...tactical leggings" which I originally took to mean armored. But really tactical doesn't have much (if anything) to do with armor.

That makes me feel better that an individual with a CCW would have made a difference in this situation. All the more reason I'm going to get my CCW permit just as soon as the funds become available.

But Oates also said "Neck and groin PROTECTION"... Which even cops realize is ballistic protection, and he said "Bullet proof or bullet resistant." But YMMV.[Tooth]

[kanekutter05]

But Oates also said "Neck and groin PROTECTION"... Which even cops realize is ballistic protection, and he said "Bullet proof or bullet resistant." But YMMV.[Tooth]

I'm not sure I'd even trust 3 inches of hardened steel to take a bullet in the hoo-hoo dilly.

[10mm-man]

I'm not sure I'd even trust 3 inches of hardened steel to take a bullet in the hoo-hoo dilly.

No need to worry when your balls are made of steel; Like MINE![ROFL1]

[sellersm]

So do you 'click-clak' when you walk? [ROFL1] [ROFL2]

<reference from the movie "See Spot Run">

[Mtn.man]

Even if he had an interceptor style military outfit it wouldn't stop a knock down or possible penatration from a 44 mag or 45 cal or 40 or 10mm.

And they have yet to produce a gas mask that is anywhere near bullet proof.

[10mm-man]

Even if he had an interceptor style military outfit it wouldn't stop a knock down or possible penatration from a 44 mag or 45 cal or 40 or 10mm.

And they have yet to produce a gas mask that is anywhere near bullet proof.

Yea but you know; I am not sure a CCW could have done anything! I say Bullshit!! Let's say MAYBE, not one but how about many?

I am biased though, I believe all responsible (and legal to own) individuals should be armed....

[10mm-man]

So do you 'click-clak' when you walk? [ROFL1] [ROFL2]

<reference from the movie "See Spot Run">

I wear a silencer on them, so there not so loud......[ROFL1]

[StagLefty]

I'm not sure I'd even trust 3 inches of hardened steel to take a bullet in the hoo-hoo dilly.

[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]

[BPTactical]

I gave them to my wife to hold, they are in a jar on the nightstand, so there not so loud......[ROFL1]

Fixxed it fer ya[Tooth]

[10mm-man]

Fixxed it fer ya[Tooth]

[ROFL1]

[Tinelement]

Yea but you know;I'm not sure a CCW could have done anything! I say Bullshit!! Let's say MAYBE, not one but how about many?

I am biased though, I believe all responsible (and legal to own) individuals should be armed....

I call BS.

I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

Protect you, your family, and each other.

All I'm saying here.

[Byte Stryke]

I call BS.

I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

Protect you, your family, and each other.

All I'm saying here.

+1 for my Fellow Sheep-Dog

[10mm-man]

+1 for my Fellow Sheep-Dog

^^^[Beer]

[blacklabel]

Thanks for saying your piece Tinelement. There's a lot of guys here that whole heartedly agree with you.

[wrestler034]

I call BS.

I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

Protect you, your family, and each other.

All I'm saying here.


+1 for my Fellow Sheep-Dog

+2 but I hate the sheep dog thing, not the concept but NutnFancy drives me crazy.

[SideShow Bob]

I call BS.
If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....
I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.
And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.
You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.
Protect you, your family, and each other.
All I'm saying here.

I have basically said the same to a few members here, but also added:
"what kind of tear gas was it that this low life used ? Was some weak water home brew tear gas or some real Military/LEO CS gas ?"
I think I recall you talking about being former military, so do you recall basic ? And coming out of the CS exposure chamber ? ( or do they still do that ?) Do you think that you could have effectively fired a CCW weapon even at 20 feet then ? Whithout hitting more innocent movie goers that are scattering and panicing to all directions of the compass ?

[Chad4000]

I call BS.

I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

Protect you, your family, and each other.

All I'm saying here.

Totally agree...

[argonstrom]

If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....


Well said.

[Teufelhund]

+2 but I hate the sheep dog thing, not the concept but NutnFancy drives me crazy.

If it makes you feel better, NutnFancy didn't come up with it. He just rambles about it a lot.

[dwalker460]

Are we even certian it was tear gasor smoke canisters? Has there been a statement made by officials? because I have seen references to both.


Oh, and I agree with tinelement

[Ronin13]

I have basically said the same to a few members here, but also added:
"what kind of tear gas was it that this low life used ? Was some weak water home brew tear gas or some real Military/LEO CS gas ?"
I think I recall you talking about being former military, so do you recall basic ? And coming out of the CS exposure chamber ? ( or do they still do that ?) Do you think that you could have effectively fired a CCW weapon even at 20 feet then ? Whithout hitting more innocent movie goers that are scattering and panicing to all directions of the compass ?

Very true... and as recent as '06 they were doing the chamber- which was hell, but I do remember, even in a closed environment with heavy saturation I felt that I was still 40% combat effective, but that was a room about the size of my dining room, this is a large auditorium. I think it would depend on where it was being dispersed from in relation to my position and several other factors. Remember, besides environmental factors like gas or lighting (the movie was still playing during all this), there is quite a bit of stress under sustained fire and you never know how you'll react until you actually experience it- which I pray none of us ever have to (especially those who have already).

Are we even certian it was tear gasor smoke canisters? Has there been a statement made by officials? because I have seen references to both.


Oh, and I agree with tinelement
This is a great question... I also agree with tinelement.

[NightCat]

Holy shit...64 pages..

All I have to say.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Holy shit...64 pages..

All I have to say.

Go to your user control panel and set it to 40 posts per page. It really helps whenever you are trying to catch up on hot topics. [Flower]

[cstone]

I think I recall you talking about being former military, so do you recall basic ? And coming out of the CS exposure chamber ? ( or do they still do that ?)

Remember it? I love the sight of chili-mac on the grass [ROFL1]

The funniest part was watching the first guy try to go through the door while at least one (sometimes two) of the drill sgts. blocking the door. [ROFL2]

No matter how many times you would tell recruits not to wipe their face, they spent the next three minutes smearing that CS all over themselves.

I really enjoyed the chem gear familiarization module of basic training. [ROFL3]

Good times [Flower]

[NightCat]

Go to your user control panel and set it to 40 posts per page. It really helps whenever you are trying to catch up on hot topics. [Flower]

Ah ha!!! Thank you!! This'll be my nightly read :P


Remember it? I love the sight of chili-mac on the grass [ROFL1]

The funniest part was watching the first guy try to go through the door while at least one (sometimes two) of the drill sgts. blocking the door. [ROFL2]

No matter how many times you would tell recruits not to wipe their face, they spent the next three minutes smearing that CS all over themselves.

I really enjoyed the chem gear familiarization module of basic training. [ROFL3]

Good times [Flower]

..It's all about the #7 MRE man....the Veggy Omlet....*hurl*

CS gas is much more powerful than police riot gas, especially in the grenades.

Is there any intel on what the grenades looked like? If it was a Silver canister with a red stripe on it then it was a Military CS grenade. (ABC-M7A2)

[SideShow Bob]

You ought to try it on "C" rats..........

[ChunkyMonkey]

^^^ old fart!

[brutal]

You ought to try it on "C" rats..........

Or K rats... anyone still carry a P-38?

[Cochese]

Even if he had an interceptor style military outfit it wouldn't stop a knock down or possible penatration from a 44 mag or 45 cal or 40 or 10mm.

Knock down, as it were, isn't what you think it is, with low velocity arms like a pistol or even a .223 for that matter.

I watched a clip of the owner of Second Chance take a .308 from a FAL in the breadbasket with plates on and he doesn't even rock back. In the last fatal OIS at work, the bad guy took two to the mellon and went straight down. No dramatics. Just saying.

[kanekutter05]

Go to your user control panel and set it to 40 posts per page. It really helps whenever you are trying to catch up on hot topics. [Flower]

Ridiculously helpful...simple but I would never have thought to look for that setting. Thanks!

[Rucker61]

Remember it? I love the sight of chili-mac on the grass [ROFL1]

The funniest part was watching the first guy try to go through the door while at least one (sometimes two) of the drill sgts. blocking the door. [ROFL2]

No matter how many times you would tell recruits not to wipe their face, they spent the next three minutes smearing that CS all over themselves.

I really enjoyed the chem gear familiarization module of basic training. [ROFL3]

Good times [Flower]

Any engineers here? The Ft Leonard Wood chamber was infamous for the tree right outside the exit door. CS and a concussion for the same price.

[Scanker19]

Or K rats... anyone still carry a P-38?

I carry a bigger 52. Handy little thing had it every time I went to a rack.

I'm curious about the gas as well. With the inaccuries I've read I wonder what it was exactly. Was is indeed a grenade or just some thing smoking that was tossed.

[jerrymrc]

Any engineers here? The Ft Leonard Wood chamber was infamous for the tree right outside the exit door. CS and a concussion for the same price.

I did not hit the tree thank you very much but I do remember that being late aug I was reminded of the gas the rest of the day. Mix in a little sweat and it was a great time. :)

[Ronin13]

Any engineers here? The Ft Leonard Wood chamber was infamous for the tree right outside the exit door. CS and a concussion for the same price.

Not an engineer, but I know what tree you're talking about... FLW was ultimate suck for me, we got rain that day, granted it was only a light rain but still moisture and CS mix is no bueno!

[brutal]

Ft Jackson - I think they must put trees outside every one. [BooHoo] Much worse were the DI making sure everyone was suffering or they had to go back through (not me).

[Ronin13]

Thought instead of creating a new thread I'd post it up here since it is on topic:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/483963_10151066482516077_319801094_n.jpg
Christian "Bruce Wayne/Batman" Bale himself visited the victims at the Medical Center of Aurora today... what a great guy! I half expected this to happen, but now, well good on him! I have a ton more respect for him now! [Beer]

[Chad4000]

^^ yeah very cool..

[kanekutter05]

Thought instead of creating a new thread I'd post it up here since it is on topic:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/483963_10151066482516077_319801094_n.jpg
Christian "Bruce Wayne/Batman" Bale himself visited the victims at the Medical Center of Aurora today... what a great guy! I half expected this to happen, but now, well good on him! I have a ton more respect for him now! [Beer]
If he wasn't in full costume then I would have kicked him out!

[HoneyBadger]

Very cool! I have a lot of respect for people who show compassion for human life. I saw the facebook posts calling for him to visit, but I thought it would just be a facebook fad.

[Byte Stryke]

Any engineers here? The Ft Leonard Wood chamber was infamous for the tree right outside the exit door. CS and a concussion for the same price.


fond memories

[brutal]

If he wasn't in full costume then I would have kicked him out!

There was much talk of that on FB. I think it would be in bad taste and show poor judgement for him to show up in costume given the circumstances and how the nutcase shooter was dressed.

If someone had been injured in a non-traumatic, mass killing event, it might be appropriate.

[hollohas]

Are we even certian it was tear gasor smoke canisters? Has there been a statement made by officials? because I have seen references to both.


Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard a single eyewitness say anything about "burning eyes", "hard to breath" or "tears" ...makes me think it was smoke. In fact, many of the witnesses have said "smoke". I suppose both can compromise your ability to fight back.

However, in this situation (or theoretical situations like this one) I would think that at some point during the madness and in the large crowds, the bad guy must have had his back to a good guy within arms reach. Even without a CCW, a person within arms reach at the bad guy's back could be very effective at fighting a shooter...especially one with a long gun.

In this real situation I wasn't there and can't ever say what I would do. There have been many stories of people helping other people and I applaud those that did help.

I am very impressed with the police and first responders. Their amazing quick response and the professional, effective communication I have heard from the radio transmissions was truly top notch.

[10mm-man]

Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard a single eyewitness say anything about "burning eyes", "hard to breath" or "tears" ...makes me think it was smoke. In fact, many of the witnesses have said "smoke". I suppose both can compromise your ability to fight back.

However, in this situation (or theoretical situations like this one) I would think that at some point during the madness and in the large crowds, the bad guy must have had his back to a good guy within arms reach. Even without a CCW, a person within arms reach at the bad guy's back could be very effective at fighting a shooter...especially one with a long gun.

In this real situation I wasn't there and can't ever say what I would do. There have been many stories of people helping other people and I applaud those that did help.

I am very impressed with the police and first responders. Their amazing quick response and the professional, effective communication I have heard from the radio transmissions was truly top notch.

If you ever tried to shoot out of a gas mask then you know that your peripheral vision and most of you vision period is gone. Easy to ambush from other than a frontal attack...

I thought I read that someone or many were at this guys feet?

[Ridge]

I thought I read that someone or many were at this guys feet?

I know of 12 that were...

[Aloha_Shooter]

The signs at the Colorado Springs Hollywood theater shocked me so I sent them this feedback through their website:

I realize you are trying to react sensitively to last week's horrible incident in Aurora, CO. However, I want to express my displeasure at the recent anti-gun signs posted at your Colorado Springs theater. Your theater has been my first choice for movie attendance precisely because it DIDN'T espouse the anti-gun practices at Cinemark.

If you actually look at the facts, you will see that people with a conceal carry permit are one of the safest demographics in America with the lowest crime profiles per capita. We will never know if an armed CCWer could have stopped the shooter sooner but I do know I am reluctant to enter a facility that basically advertises itself as a target rich environment for miscreants like the Aurora shooter.

I hope you and the local manager will see the error of your ways be an alternative to the unthinking knee-jerk Cinemark practices.

[Omicron]

Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard a single eyewitness say anything about "burning eyes", "hard to breath" or "tears" ...makes me think it was smoke. In fact, many of the witnesses have said "smoke". I suppose both can compromise your ability to fight back.

However, in this situation (or theoretical situations like this one) I would think that at some point during the madness and in the large crowds, the bad guy must have had his back to a good guy within arms reach. Even without a CCW, a person within arms reach at the bad guy's back could be very effective at fighting a shooter...especially one with a long gun.

In this real situation I wasn't there and can't ever say what I would do. There have been many stories of people helping other people and I applaud those that did help.

I am very impressed with the police and first responders. Their amazing quick response and the professional, effective communication I have heard from the radio transmissions was truly top notch.

If you ever tried to shoot out of a gas mask then you know that your peripheral vision and most of you vision period is gone. Easy to ambush from other than a frontal attack...

I thought I read that someone or many were at this guys feet?I've wondered the same thing myself, but then I also know that in a true crisis situation 99.9% of the people there cannot think and are not trained to react other than to cower or flee.

[rockhound]

there is no way to know what the outcome would have been if only , if only

we know what the outcome was

i know that i will no longer be leaving my weapon at home as i often do. i know how i will change my thoughts and behavior patterns.

denver is often the only place i travel with any regularity that i feel it necessary to carry. living in the mountains you get the luxury of at least feeling safer near home and the community you know.

i wont be going to denver anymore without my CC on me

[Jer]

there is no way to know what the outcome would have been if only , if only

we know what the outcome was

i know that i will no longer be leaving my weapon at home as i often do. i know how i will change my thoughts and behavior patterns.

denver is often the only place i travel with any regularity that i feel it necessary to carry. living in the mountains you get the luxury of at least feeling safer near home and the community you know.

i wont be going to denver anymore without my CC on me

I don't get statements like this. I don't feel safe anywhere.

[Cochese]

I don't get statements like this. I don't feel safe anywhere.

Agree. It is a state of mind with a nod toward preparedness. My minimum slut clothes carry is a G26. I need to start carrying a spare mag.

If I feel like I'm going to run I to trouble, my duty G17 rides in a Colorado Holster kydex rig with spare mags a SF X200 and cuffs.

[Fmedges]

If you ever tried to shoot out of a gas mask then you know that your peripheral vision and most of you vision period is gone. Easy to ambush from other than a frontal attack...

I thought I read that someone or many were at this guys feet?

Exactly, especially if you are firing off rounds. That guy had no clue what was going on around him.

[sneakerd]

Here's my view. It may not be very popular. I'm nobody's hero, except to me and mine. If I'm there with my wife, girlfriend, kids, whatever- my loved ones-
then I -ONLY- care about them. That is my circle, and that is what I will defend and/or protect. Everybody else is a victim. I'm getting me and mine the hell onto the ground and/or out of there. If I can get my hand on a pistol, and the attacker enters my field of vision, then he's going to get the whole mag. Otherwise....... we'll be gone before you know it- or moving in the opposite direction of the crowd.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I agree 100% sneakerd. 1st priority my wife, 2nd me, 3rd getting the fvck out. I'm not a hero except to me and mine, selfish? Yep. I'm not Rambo. I just had a discussion last night with my buddy like this.

[Fentonite]

Here's my view. It may not be very popular. I'm nobody's hero, except to me and mine. If I'm there with my wife, girlfriend, kids, whatever- my loved ones-
then I -ONLY- care about them. That is my circle, and that is what I will defend and/or protect. Everybody else is a victim. I'm getting me and mine the hell onto the ground and/or out of there. If I can get my hand on a pistol, and the attacker enters my field of vision, then he's going to get the whole mag. Otherwise....... we'll be gone before you know it- or moving in the opposite direction of the crowd.

I think I agree. If I'm there with family, they are my only priority. If I'm there alone, I'd like to think I'd step up to help others, if I could.

[sneakerd]

I'm just not real high on all the would-be heros all around. I don't think it's that simple.

[jake]

I can't imagine why your view would be unpopular at all. We go to the AMC in Westminster most of the time and we like to sit at the very back when we can. In that case, my wife would be pushed ahead of me out of the rear doors and out of the building.

If we'd been forced by crowds to sit closer to the front and I thought for a second there was any danger of her being a specific target I would engage the shooter if I could. But if there was any realistic possibility of us being out of the door then she's got my hand on her back and we're gone.

[Great-Kazoo]

This reminds me of the CCW guy who choose not to engage the shooter at denny's? killing the NG folks. He was 65 yards from the target and the members here took a dick measuring, I'd engage from across the lot etc. That scenario was clear day and 65 yards away. We (CSTONE got it rolling) did a 65 yard shoot and the amount of hits on a non moving, shooting back target, was dismal.

This is a dark area with folks running, screaming, multiple shots fired, smoke etc. I would like if possible to recreate this scenario and see how effective everyone is.

Yes i agree family first, seek exit as quickly as possible. Engaging the target with all that shit going on, not feeling it, UNLESS i had no other choice.
That's just me, i've seen and know how fast things can go south within seconds.

[whitbaby]

I think I agree. If I'm there with family, they are my only priority. If I'm there alone, I'd like to think I'd step up to help others, if I could.

My biggest concerns would be innocents behind him and any unknown accomplices lurking about.

[T-Giv]

I was speaking with a SWAT member who told me that in the theater there were tons of nearly full magazines. Fortunately the piece of shit didn't know how to recover from a malfunction so when he would jam he just dropped the magazine and put in another one. He was planning to do a lot more shooting than he did. Possibly that's why he gave up so easily?

[TFOGGER]

My biggest concerns would be innocents behind him and any unknown accomplices lurking about.

From an email I received from Graham Dunne, firearms instructor and Aurora PD officer:


We truely appreciate all the e-mails of support. We are under a court order not to discuss our actions at the cinema and at his apartment. I have answered alot of "what if" questions, I can give you some food for thought:

-If the only target you have is muzzle flash, that's a great target indicator. Behind muzzle flash is the chest, face, hands, and the firearm.

-Ballistic vests are only rated for two impacts per area. With good hollow points the 3rd, 4th, 5th etc.. rounds are going through. I would rather hammer the upper chest than try to adjust for the head, a smaller target. Every officer I have talked to who has ever been shot wearing a vest said the same thing, "it's like getting hit with a baseball bat."

-If you study mass violence scenarios, 99% of these cowards committing these atrocities will run when they encounter any resistance. In other words if rounds are coming their way, even if they're not hit, they usually run, often times commiting suicide.

-By the nature of cinema seating, (on a grade), you have a much better chance of not hitting innocents when engaging bad guys.

-It is true concealed weapons were not permitted at the cinema. So it is possible you could be charged with misdemeanors, such as carrying concealed and lose your permit. I believe this is a worthy trade to save lives. In other words you can pay your fine then go accept your award from the President at the White House.

-Training is very important.

“We don't rise to the level of our expectations; we fall to the level of our training”

Archilochus, Greek Soldier 650 BC

-The alternative not to engage is to die.

[Whistler]

From an email I received from Graham Dunne, firearms instructor and Aurora PD officer:

^+1^

Facts are so much nicer than conjecture.

[islandermyk]

I have a handful of friends that send me all kinds of stuff about this shooting. Conspiracy theories of things being covered up, radio recordings, etc...
The link I'm adding here is only recorded radio communications. Just thought I'd share... All I can say is... it's really heart breaking...

Also, I can say that the lady dispatcher f*cken kept her cool and did a outstanding job...


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I didn't add no conspiracy stuff or any of my worthless opinions... if your looking for it.. I don't think you'll have any troubles finding it...

[SouthPaw]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182011/James-Holmes-Batman-shooting-survivor-Carli-Richards-shows-shotgun-wounds-demands-death-penalty.html

One of the victims shows her wounds. Doesn't look like buckshot to me?

[sneakerd]

Birdshot, prob 6, very common. We're going to see lots of exaggeration and false hero worship as time goes on and people start lining up for the money and the fame.

[JoeT]

One of the victims shows her wounds. Doesn't look like buckshot to me?


she got hit with bad ink too

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

she got hit with bad ink too

Ouch... Too soon...[Flower]