True, think of all the greenhouses that would need to be built. And grow lights too be wired..
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True, think of all the greenhouses that would need to be built. And grow lights too be wired..
40 replies 336 veiws last I looked all about the weed! Interesting? I thought we were more about the firearms!? There are more replies on this topic than most others. Even more veiws! What do you guys do when no one is watching. No, on second thought I don't want to know! Bad thoughts are going through my head. Damn it!!!!!! I get the feeling there are some heavily armed dopers on the loose here in CO.
As usual, it probably comes down to money. I've heard that chemical companies producing nylon rope sought to eliminate the competition of hemp rope. Both scenarios on hemp make sense. Also, privately-owned prisons would probably stand to lose money if they suddenly lost a large portion of their "clientele" due to legalization of this drug alone. Am I amiss in assuming that more convicts equals more money? I can only imagine that our neighbors to the south have an interest in drugs being illegal assuming the cartels have some control of the gov't there and would not like to see their markets dry up. And also assuming that those governments somehow have some power to exert over ours. That can't be though, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
Good luck finding 50 random people who are unfamiliar with pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
I don't understand how people can not see the parallels of prohibition to the War on Drugs. Can you change "dope head" to "alcohol drinker" and be just as confident?
THANK YOU! If the Federal Government were it's correct size, we wouldn't have an illegal Federal income tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturtle
Come on man, this isn't 6th grade Mock Trial, you can do better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunTroll
If you are a gunsmith, your work is either good and reliable, or it is not. Smoking pot while you're working makes no difference one way or the other. I'm sure that there are plenty of gunsmiths who could do a better job at what they do while drunk, than I could after a weeks worth of practice. In face, I'm sure that there ARE closet alcoholic gunsmiths out there. That still isn't the point though.
The point is that after you have work done, you check it and make sure it works and is safe, if not, you take it back and have them fix/replace it. No one out there thinks they can get away with doing shitty work while on drugs, without being called out on it and put out of business for having a shitty reputation, that happens all the time without drug use to help. That is more Business 101, not a drug discussion.
1) Which party is Liberal? psst both...Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
2) Not the Government's job to restrict chems ect from your kids, that's your job, with the grace of God and hard work you can succeed.
3) Maybe if you smoked some weed you'd would have gone to 7-11 for dorritos, bought a lottery ticket, won millions, started and foundation and benefited millions. Only god knows.
4) Bill Clinton Smoked weed, Bush did coke...
If anyone honestly believes that they wouldn't have been able to get where they were today, if they had smoked pot a handful of times as a kid, then I seriously wonder how you were able to get where you are today.
I'm not trying to be insulting, that is just a flaw in having an opinion on something based on very little experience. I say very little, instead of none, because it is easy for a non-user to watch their friends ruin their lives with drugs/alcohol. I saw kids ruin themselves with Extascy when I was 15 and had my first job. It succesfully kept me from ever trying Extascy. I don't think I'd be an utter failure if I tried it a few times, but I wouldn't be surprised if I used it out of control and let it run my life.
+1 * 10e6!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ssf467
Let each state determine their laws and we'll see if the doomsday predictions come true (they won't). I'm tired of the Feds trampling on state authority (21 year drinking age, MJ laws, firearms laws for arms that are not part of interstate commerce, mandating certain state laws or you'll lose highway funds (e.g. seat belt, helmet, DUI thresholds), etc. I understand that adherence to federalism would mean repeal of some of the laws we gun owners like (Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act, etc.), but on balance we'd be much, much more free.
This is easily the most important thing that you've said, and congratulations, because it is also the most important thing in this entire thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
Meth is bad. I'd be pissed if anyone offered anything to my kids without my permission.
Simple supply and demand. Legal means less profit, cartels go broke. Lesss cost, less stealing. Property crimes go down, fewer cops, lower taxes. on and on...
Well since I haven't been in the 6th grade in a while, I try this. I burned once or twice in my being dumb days. It never did anything good for me. I may have eaten a little more and there for stimulated the economy a bit. I feel I missed out on things that I couldn't even think about at the time= like my future through the means of education. I just didn't care at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If I could do it over I would never had gone down the path I did. No weed isn't going to kill you or destroy your future. But in my humble ex pot smoker opinion it doesn't motivate you to do anything for yourself either. I was not a responsible toker. Maybe all of you that are so adamant about it being super legal were and are now. I don't want to see it go legal here in CO or anywhere.
Some good points were made on FED vs. state on the laws. I'll back that but still don't want to see it come mainstream and be sold anywhere. Not at the store or the corner. Sorry that's how I feel. Those of you with kids most likely understand. I have one and would not like to see him going up in the American version of Amsterdam. Flat out they (meaning all drugs) should never be legalized. Take away/or lower the opportunity (like what is happening now, being that drugs are illegal) and the chances/odds our youth will be better off for it. Only dopers fight/argue for the legalization of pot.
And Sturtle you are correct. Being a pot head doesn't make one bad at anything they do, i.e gunsmithing. But how many of you would like me to work on something that could blow up and send a bolt through your face. Before I got into gunsmithing I had no idea what goes into making firearms. Very important to be close to tolerances. No mistakes. I wouldn't go to an openly smoking gunsmith! Any of you? I had no idea this was such an important topic and will attempt to keep the humor out of talking about pot for now on.
I am directly copying my conversation with someone on another board about this into here. The response just before this, I copied what I said to you onto that board.
Here are some of the responses:
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Originally Posted by N FUL FX
My response:Quote:
Originally Posted by lowinthesnow
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You can fail a roadside for being sleep deprived and they have no way to prove that. You have to consider what circumstances one will come into contact with the police in the first place. People get pulled over while drunk because they are driving like they are drunk. Such is NOT the case with weed, or else it would be just as prevalent in the news as drunk driving stories.
Neil, I think you are being short sighted again. First, a hold harmless agreement will virtually eliminate the gunsmith from the equation. Second, how do you prove that he was intoxicated when he did the work? How do you prove that the work that was done even has anything to do with the function of the gun? The second one is easy, but the first one is impossible. Not to mention, that is what commercial general liability insurance is for. It is completely a non-issue. If you do bad work, you pay for it, it doesn't matter if you were drunk, or high, or sleepy, or forced, or in a hurry, or etc, etc, etc. It is all a non-issue.
One more example. If a mechanic is working on your car drunk and botches a brake job that causes you to crash, and it can be proven, then the commercial general liability is used. If the limits are exhausted, you sue the company and the individual. Life goes on. It makes absolutely NO difference if what caused the bad work was legal or not.
[quote=Sturtle;107086]I am directly copying my conversation with someone on another board about this into here. The response just before this, I copied what I said to you onto that board.
I'm sorry I'm confused. You posted what I said and these are the reponses? Or Something else?
The poster N FUL FX is mentioning a gun smith, because I copied both your example, and my response to it on his board. Then on here, I posted his response to what I said to you here, in addition to my response to him, on here.
I figured I'd just save myself some typing since we are having the same conversation on both boards.
Oh yeah, I forget to mention, don't stop with the humor, it keeps people in check.
Eric Cartman is the great philosopher I was thinking of with the "hippies" comment :)
There seems to be a lack of critical thinking in some responses, probably a result of lost brain cells ;) There is the way that you wish the country worked, and there is reality. I seriously doubt those are anywhere close to the same for folks reading this.
1) Universal healthcare = free pot for millions of D voters
2) Public schools will become even worse.
Any additional tax revenue will be wasted on items 1 and 2. I could go on, but there's no point.
I got you now. Sorry. How is this topic over on this other site? As interesting? I beleive my point has been made and I'll bow out here.
I'd say the discussion on the other site is much better, because there are more people in the conversation and more points of view to cover more aspects. I'd link you to it, but I think you have to be a member to read the off-topic section.
XJ, I'm not talking about legalized marijuana for medicinal use. Straight legalization, just like prohibition. To not be able to see the parallels between the two is ridiculous.
Public schools are where marijuana is MOST prevalent, but that doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. I thought we already established that talking about taxes was a moot point because it is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the industry.
Here is the link, let me know if you can view it.
http://www.g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191128
I prefer Mtn Dew or Root Beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssf467
And, yes, you're right. If the federal government was the size it was supposed to be we wouldn't have the illegal income taxes,... or illegal gun laws, etc. Too many if's for me though and I don't see anything that's going to change that. I still never plan to imbibe of the weed and pray my kids stay away from it and other mind altering drugs as well (yeah, that goes for alcohol too) but I’m not holding my breath.
I just bought a quarter pound??
If you come over please bring creamer.....[Coffee]
The next time, and every time after that, that you think to yourself, "Wow, look at where this country has gotten to. I wonder how we let this happen?" I want you to come here and read your response as the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
It occured to me yesterday that these discussions are healthy to have as preparation for actual change. When people can discuss an actual change, and spend enough time thinking about a scenerio, that does not currently exist, until they can accept it in their minds, THEN they will be ready for actual change. Point being, if no one discussed legalization of marijuana (or other drugs) on a large scale, then it just happened one day; no one would be prepared and it wouldn't go well. These discussions, instead of them being viewed as beating a dead horse, allow people to get a feel for the situation in advance, by playing the "what if?" game.
If anyone is reading that last paragraph thinking, "well that's a stoner rant if I've ever heard one..." please don't. lol First, I'm no stoner. Second, if you look at all the revolutionary threads in the same light, you'll see what I mean. People have to talk about something a lot (as a society) before they will be able to accept the fact that it is possible. Just think, 7 years ago, if people started rising up against the government one day, it would have been out of left field that there would be no support from the masses and everyone would be taken by surprise. However, now I can't even log on to ANY type of internet forum without seeing threads talking about some sort of social disent to stand up for our rights. It's taken a LOT of talk about that possibility in order to start to accept that it is possible, not likely, but possible.
I just realized I went on a completely uneccessary rant. Sorry about that, don't let it derail the thread, I thought we were having a healthy discussion. I basically answered a question that was never asked.
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Originally Posted by HunterCO
[ROFL1]
WOW, didn't realize what i started, and to think i had a nice little heater on, thanks to legalized alcohol.
Cheers