C'mon, we knew enough in our youth that it only made it easier to do a body count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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C'mon, we knew enough in our youth that it only made it easier to do a body count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Well, someone will be selling t-shirts on the corner with “I survived the missle scare of 2018”
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Originally Posted by Slugjunkie
Or selling surf boards painted like missles.
Am I the only one who wonders if this maybe wasn't an accident? Maybe they did get a real warning or it got shot down or didnt make it.... just saying :-)
Carry on
Is there a resource for locating the nearest nuke/bomb/fallout shelter in a given state for those that don’t have one of there own? What would the members here do if this same message had been sent to them yesterday here in CO?
Personally had I been home I would have gotten in the basement with the wife and kids. Not really any time to go anywhere and at least we’d be together.
I wouldn’t want to be on any city road, highway, or interstate if I could help it, If I was I would attempt to find the sturdiest concrete structure nearby and get into/under it.
If I would have been at work I would walk the 1/4 mile to the nuke shelter, praying it was a false alarm the entire time and try and get through to my wife via call or text.
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At home: Not many options up here. Just try to get in touch with close family, tell them I loved them, and pray for the best. Then crack open a beer and hope to see a cool light show before being vaporized.Quote:
What would the members here do if this same message had been sent to them yesterday here in CO?
At work: Good question. Evacuate the casino. Gaming would need to stop so employees could go to one of the shelter areas. This is a good thought experiment and not one of the many covered in training. It's weird that I thought of the business end of things first. But as we saw, it could be a false alarm. CYA, even if you might be dead in a few minutes. LOL
Am I wrong for immediately wondering if it was hacked and the “accident” claims are just gov trying to CYA?
At my age I don't think I'd panic and probaly wouldn't consider surviving a nuclear attack. Say a prayer for humanity and relax.
What would the members here do if this same message had been sent to them yesterday here in CO?
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Originally Posted by StagLefty
Likewise.
Hope our daughter was doing what she could in the hills of CA, then break out the smoker and grill. Cook or smoke all perishable food, then PARTY TIME.
When the roulette wheel of life picks your number.
Doesn't matter if you're between business meetings or your significant others legs . Your done.
Some good info here. Basically shelter in place (see diagram). Radiation won't be nearly as bad if it's an aerial detonation. Don't waste money on potassium iodide pills.
http://www.sciencealert.com/pills-dr...ival-gear-2018
Everyone is also forgetting that the risk in fallout is in long-term exposure. The immediate blast effects will be mitigated by the landscape -- in Hawaii, there are a lot of "mountains" and ridgelines to block the immediate blast. Trade winds will generally blow dust from a Pearl Harbor/Hickam impact out to sea (but a Kaneohe impact will be blown into the mountains and eventually over them into Honolulu proper).
A sewer might provide some shelter from fallout but I'd be worried about its ability to take the shockwave -- really wouldn't want it collapsing on me. I told my sister that if they get a real one, she's probably got about 10 minutes to head up into one of the valleys to get some protection from the blast and shockwave and she can worry about fallout after that. There are tunnels in Diamond Head Crater that were built to withstand bombing and artillery during WW II --- not nuke rated but then again, we're talking about the DPRK, chances are that it's going to fail anyway.
First things first, get somewhere that can protect you from the blast and shockwave before you worry about the fallout.
I assumed a blast radius (or closer) scenario. Putting your kid in the sewer like it's baby Moses on the Nile isn't going to save the kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
I like that link, played with it before, but always wondered about the yield scenarios. One has to assume we know what NK has/doesn't have.
My luck I’d be working when I found out Denver was going to be hit. I suppose my best bet would be to get in our tornado shelter and hope for the best. Beyond that I wouldn’t really know what to do so I’d just have to wing it. Getting in touch with my loved ones would probably be impossible so I’d just have to hope we could all meet up back at the house when it seems safe to do so.
I guess I'm like the guy that sent the text to his son saying everyone cleared out of the breakfast buffet when they got the message...so he went back for seconds.
China or Russia wants to launch a few...yeah, I'd worry. NK? Not so much. As a matter of fact, I'd turn on the TV. Because I wanna see what retaliation on that "shithole" country would look like.
The truth is, the things that our own government will do to us if we ever get a nuke slung at us by the Norks are going to be significantly worse than the nuke itself (well for everyone except those at ground zero).
It will be the suspension of our constitutional rights, civil liberties and property rights for some time to come. The ensuing martial law could trigger a collapse of the civil society and possible war (as divided as we are now, I don't expect well see a 9/11 style of coming together).
Although to be fair, watching how the Hawaiians reacted to what they believed for more than half an hour was incoming mass death gives me hope. Send that same text message out to the general Los Angeles area and I bet you have riots, looting and unrest for a week.
I'm a bit disturbed at how lightly everyone takes North Korea. It's never a good idea to under estimate an opponent.
It's not taking NK lightly. It's having a tremendous faith in our military's capability to handle the NK threat. Big difference.
I don't mean to point at you spefically, especially since most of us here are just internet chlubs and it doesn't matter what we think, I just hope the military and government isn't taking any chances.
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Originally Posted by foxtrot
I saw that you edited your original post here. Let me just say that your comment about the possible applications of the stranger was much more funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
Why would martial law be instituted if NK fired a missile at the US? Especially if it wasn't a successful strike?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I guess I just disagree on the outcome you envision.
Everyone was thinking it. It might as well be said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Martial law only happens if its a successful strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Sorry...I wasn't offended by what you said and didn't mean to sound that way. To expand a little... We were told how awesome and mighty Saddam's military was prior to Desert Storm and the Gulf War by talking heads and "experts", day in and day out. Military leaders were quietly saying "yes", he did have a substantial military capability but they were prepared for it. Turns out, he had a huge military capability...that was overwhelmed and slaughtered in a matter of hours by a much superior force we moved half way around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
NK seems to me to be similar. For a small country they have a massive military...with little capability to project it anywhere but within a relatively short distance from home. They don't have the logistics or supply capability to sustain that military for long in a war. Obviously, the threat to the south and to Japan will be far greater than it will be to the US mainland. Personally, I think "Rocket Man" wants a nuke more as a deterrent to a US first strike of any sort...even though that sounds a little ironic and backwards. He knows as long as he has that capability we'll be less likely to strike. He can't possibly believe he's going to win a nuclear exchange in any scenario...not even he's that delusional. He has to know that our response to a NK strike will be so overwhelming and devastating that little will be left of his country...even if it's just a massive conventional strike.
I know my first-hand knowledge is dangerously outdated. But when I was in I was in a position to know a bit more than some about the Soviet capability back during the cold war days. I'll be honest...what I heard about Soviet military capability from "experts" in the media and what I saw in my job were two completely different things.
Maybe localized...but I don't think it would be a nation-wide thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Desert Storm was exactly what I was thinking of actually. Much prefer to find out we over estimated than under estimated.
Bigger concern than a hit on Denver is a detonation 300 miles over Kansas. The results of an EMP attack would dwarf any near ground blast, just a lot more slow motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
...but...but....Climate Change! If people can unintentionally change the climate on the entire planet, just imagine what we could do if we intentionally did as much damage to Gaia as we possibly could? [Sarcasm2]Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
Humans desperately seek significance in the universe. The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens - The total energy output, on May 18, was equivalent to 400 million tons of TNT - approximately 20,000 Hiroshima-size atomic bombs.
And Carl Sagen KNEW he was lying when he made it up too. His justification was basically; if lying to people about Nuclear Winter helped stave off Nuclear conflict, it would be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
Scientists lying about computer models predicting effects on the atmosphere due to various reasons... That just sounds far-fetched to me.
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
When you guys post stuff like that, if you have a source it would be awesome. I always need fuel with sources.
Also, Foxtrot, in addition to the already posted link, do you have some good sources on Nuclear attack effects and preventative measures for the citizen to protect themselves. I.e. iodine, how to take it, what protects against fallout, etc?
FEMA NCR Key Response Planning Factors for the Aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism (2011)
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dhs/fema/ncr.pdf
Decent read based on modern simulation for small yield device. Zone effects would scale up for larger devices.
Thanks. I do agree that EMP is probably a more likely danger to Colorado, but you never know and I'm curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimagold
My father was stationed at Johnston Atoll. 1964-1965. He died from multiple myeloma in 2004 due to exposure from a nuclear weapons accident over the island. When he returned from the island, he was covered in "beta burns". As a child I used to play with his dosimeters. I believe the data produced from these atomic weapons is still classified TOP SECRET. It was known as Program 437. A lot of the information is NOT available on the internet. It is possible to build a very dirty nuclear weapon that will leave a large area uninhabitable for a very long time. Ionizing radiation is a very bad thing,if ingested or breathed in. One microgram of radioactive bomb grade plutonium in your lung, usually will result in a cancerous tumor the size of your fist. This is just my personal knowledge and most of my Nuclear,Chemical & Biological training in the military emphasized surviving a chemical attack. If your area is subjected to a nuclear attack, you will have to evacuate. The fallout if ingested in any way, will greatly shorten your life. A gas mask is essential, as is a geiger counter. The geiger counter is to make sure anything you eat or drink is free of radioactive fallout. I prefer the M-40 gas mask and the Gamma Scout geiger counter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_Atoll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_437