Ooh, cadmium isn't toxic at all
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Ooh, cadmium isn't toxic at all
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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
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Originally Posted by Gman
Cadmium….Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
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Originally Posted by hollohas
Make your deal with the Devil, the Devil will get his due.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ergy-emergency
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DENVER ? During the dog days of summer, it's important to keep your home cool. But when thousands of Xcel customers in Colorado tried adjusting their thermostats Tuesday, they learned they had no control over the temperatures in their own homes.
Temperatures climbed into the 90s Tuesday, which is why Tony Talarico tried to crank up the air conditioning in his partner's Arvada home.
"I mean, it was 90 out, and it was right during the peak period," Talarico said. "It was hot."
That's when he saw a message on the thermostat stating the temperature was locked due to an "energy emergency."
"Normally, when we see a message like that, we're able to override it," Talarico said. "In this case, we weren't. So, our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79."
On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained of similar experiences ? some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.
Xcel confirmed to Contact Denver7 that 22,000 customers who had signed up for the Colorado AC Rewards program were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday.
"It's a voluntary program. Let's remember that this is something that customers choose to be a part of based on the incentives," said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation at Xcel.
Customers receive a $100 credit for enrolling in the program and $25 annually, but Romine said customers also agree to give up some control to save energy and money and make the system more reliable.
"So, it helps everybody for people to participate in these programs. It is a bit uncomfortable for a short period of time, but it's very, very helpful," said Romine.
This is the first time in the program's six year span that customers could not override their smart thermostats, Romine said. He said the "energy emergency" was due to an unexpected outage in Pueblo combined with hot weather and heavy air conditioner usage.
But Talarico said he had no idea that he could be locked out of the thermostat. While he has solar panels and a smart thermostat to save energy, he says he did not sign up to have this much control taken away.
"To me, an emergency means there is, you know, life, limb, or, you know, some other danger out there ? some, you know, massive wildfires," Talarico said. "Even if it's a once-in-a-blue-moon situation, it just doesn't sit right with us to not be able to control our own thermostat in our house."
Sorry, my FuckOMatic machine is fresh out of fucks to give to you.....
Reminds me of the people that signed their student loan paperwork when they needed $ for college but after graduation, had a change of heart regarding the conditions of the loan agreement.
I thought the same thing about cadmium. Toxic AF. Colorado has a terrible industrial hygiene record. I could cite Cotter Uranium Mill, Rocky Flats Arsenal and Asarco Globeville plant, Denver as just a few examples.
Long term, the widespread application of CdTe solar panels would require recycling of the panels after their useful lifespan. The .gov would probably put a recycling fee on them. Same as when you buy a car battery, you have to turn one in for recycling or pay a fee. Link below shows what happens when you just bury cadmium-tellurium in a landfill.
The other scenario, eventually we run out of oil.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607867/
So dude is literally generating his own power with solar panels to feed into xcel's grid and they still took control of his shit to limit what he could use. "Thanks for the power, but you can't use it". That's cold. (or a guess hot in this case).Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
If I ever install solar panels, I'd want a manual transfer switch to disconnect from grid power.
How are the control signals sent??? Over the power lines, but most thermostats are low voltage- wouldn’t that mess with IP over power?
Not exactly sure, but you likely have to link your online thermostat account to the provider to get your tiny discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
You can't recycle shit in Colorado without paying a fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
It is called the Skin Effect. Radio frequency signals will travel over the skin of a conductor. Even powerlines. Since the power is only 60 cycles it travels along the core of the conductor. So they send a radio signal over the powerlines and can read your meter etc. Or even shut off the power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
I don't really care how my car runs. I will be keeping my 2 smoker dirt bike though.
I bet Xcel is going to have a stampede of customers pulling out of their AC Rewards program after this.
I'm pretty sure the control is through the smart thermostat mfrs. Internet cloud connection. Xcel likely has agreements with Honeywell, Nest/Google, etc.
That's exactly it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
You have to register your thermostat credentials with xcel to let them play God.
It would be funny just to keep the linked thermostat plugged in to 24v and keep it unplugged from the control circuit while running a second thermostat actually maintaining the HVACQuote:
To enroll, you'll need your thermostat manufacturer device credentials and either the email address or phone number associated with your account.
They could promote solar powered attic fans. I got one of these. Good for barns, shed etc.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Flow...ent/1000049635
On the thermostat, couldn?t you just ?hot-wire? it to run?.
It was probably 15 years ago I was at California CEC (energy commission?) TItle 24 meeting for an unrelated matter, but before my part, they talked about thermostats. They had a Honeywell and another guy there from the thermostat side and they were like ?Sure we can change people?s thermostat setting from a central location.? They had already run pilot programs, and they said the key was to not just jump it up, you have to slowly raise the temp so that people don?t notice it. The CEC guys laughed, the Honeywell guy laughed and I was like ?Sweet baby Jesus, these people are treating us like frogs or lobsters.? On the inside I said this.
Wait till there is an Al Gore Rythum that looks at your social media activity, registered pro-nouns, social welfare score, and then sets your thermostat?
On the thermostat, you could have swapped it with a dumb thermostat or another that wasn't registered. Would be interesting to see if you could have factory reset it and not reconnected to the cloud during their "emergency". "Oops, my Wi-Fi went down. Maybe my router overheated or something"?
ETA: Corrected Tapatalk punctuation fun.
What I'm wondering is if there is some way to hook up the "smart" thermostat to nothing (maybe using the control module from another ac/furnace or build something with an Arduino or something that "spoofs" an HVAC control unit) but Xcel would think its hooked to a furnace/ac and then put an analog thermostat on your actual furnace/ac.
It is probably considered "wire fraud".
The wait is over.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
Read about stakeholder capitalism, public-private partnerships and ESG scores.
Once relegated to the fringes of conspiracy sites, these ideas have emerged from the shadows and become acceptable and implemented.
We are only seeing the beginning as IoT is becoming less avoidable.
Credentialed experts are determined to run your life they way they see fit. They increasingly have the ability to do it.
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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
And just wait until the dollar is replaced with a digital dollar, then every transaction you make will be monitored in real time (and can be shut down in milliseconds for whatever BS PC reasons they want).Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I?m keeping my 50cc 2t motorcycle. Push comes to shove I?ll figure out how to run it on moonshine. Even behind the iron curtain moonshine was plentiful. [emoji23]
Yeah, just like Dumb & Dumber, we can all ride a mini bike! Defenestration is the answer!
That could never, ever happe.... <glances at what happened to Russian financial accounts around the world>Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Nevermind
Seriously though, why not just plant trees to sequester the carbon dioxide? NASA article suggests huge impact to slow down global warming by planting trees. Everywhere I go seems to be deforestation. Old neighborhood in the UK, all the trees were gone. I go up in the mountains around old mining areas and it is all denuded of trees. I never been to the Amazon, but all I hear about is the rain forests being cut down. I love being in a forest. You never hear a politician say lets plant some trees.
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2927/e...2025%20percent.
Not today. President Theodore Roosevelt began a silviculture program in the early 20th century. There are only a handful of "forests" that still survive today. One is located between Meeker and Craig. He incentivized private citizens to go out and plant trees. Another president was his cousin, Franklin Roosevelt. Under the CCC millions of trees were planted. People seem to forget that trees are living things with a life cycle. If they are not cut down, they get old and die. Politicians today would rather delegate replacing forests to a bureaucrat in the USDA to "manage."Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
State says the are not taking any orders for trees. The website says they are in sad shape, due to COVID etc. The thought of all state prison inmates sitting in A/C waiting for next meal and not out planting trees burns my ass. I'm gonna go buy some seedlings and learn how to grow trees. I am really good at growing tumbleweeds.
https://csfs.colostate.edu/seedling-tree-nursery/
As a EE, I guarantee this is possible. Only question is what, if any, info Xcel receives from the thermostat. My guess is what it receives back is the thermostat state rather than the furnace/AC state. But for this control operation it is also possible that it receives nothing back and simply issues commands. The thermostat info would include the current temp at the thermostat and what the thermostat thinks it is telling the furnace/AC to do. The furnace/AC state is what the furnace/AC is actually doing. I don't recall if typical house furnace/AC control wiring supports those type of signals to the thermostat, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I just need to finish my last 3.5 years before I retire and leave CO. I plan to be totally off grid by 2027, and drop a large chunk of money on power generation and storage; the days of relying on service companies are over. The electric grid is going to be a mess. So much investment was made in gas fired turbines and gas fired heat in homes; the costs of changing everything on Americans is going to be extreme. I can see the use of an electric vehicle charging on my own system for short trips, but I'm definitely not going to run out and get one anytime soon. I don't how this mess and transition will impact travel especially with large trailers and campers. Making biofuel isn't that hard; I'll probably invest in the equipment so I can run my collector vehicles if necessary. The next twenty-five years are going to be a total shit show for sure. The government and damn activists inflicting pain to force change is total BS. I can see the benefits with advancement is technology, but forcing things to the detriment of the people is BS.
Or there's this low-tech solution (that just made me LOL).Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/393816544
Plastic box + electronic hand warmer = AC
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https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1662291630564813.jpg
I was talking about that over the weekend. The greenies should be clamoring for more products made from wood, since it's essentially sequestering carbon. They're a renewable resource.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
There's more forested land in the US now than there was when the Pilgrims landed.
Great. I heard about pets, livestock, and zoo animals getting the covid. I had no idea plants were getting it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy