Even Hawkins hasn't been able to come to a supported theory on this. There is currently only conjecture and ideas. Some say yes there is a limit, but that begs the question; then what's outside the universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
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Even Hawkins hasn't been able to come to a supported theory on this. There is currently only conjecture and ideas. Some say yes there is a limit, but that begs the question; then what's outside the universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Nothing...Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
If our universe exists within a realm of 'nothing', isn't it really then something?Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
No gas, no light, no molecules or matter of any kind but it must be "something" or else how could it contain our universe? I see your point. Mind boggling indeed.
My brain can't handle these types of abstract questions. I had a Physics professor that once started to talk about black holes, worm holes, etc. Fascinating but really my brain wanted to shutdown due to overload...cannot compute...(you have to read that last part in your robot voice)
Since I live in one that would call for a resounding NO [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
I think that the show Star Gate had a good idea for a hypothesis. I bring that up because its easy to explain in their way they presented it.
I will say that I am not sure the human mind is capable of understanding it. We just have not evolved that much.
But back to Stargate... they go into a theory with the way that the "ancients" had "Ascended" to a higher plane. They became energy without body form and moved onto another dimension. I think our interpretations of that through God, religion, heaven and hell, are similar but with a different name.
Hawkings alludes to that in some of his writings. But I admit I have not read much of his. He is not an easy read.
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Originally Posted by hollohas
I think the fundamental problem with people not being to understand, if even only in concept, of a black hole is in the naming of it. The science community really screwed the pooch by naming it that, should have been just a "singularity" or some other name. I think more people would be able to wrap their heads around the idea if it was simply named something else.
A black "hole" is not a hole at all. It is a very large (millions to billions of solar masses) object. The mass is so large that it has enough gravity for light not to escape. and the mass is extremely compressed. For example, if the mass if the earth were to become the same density as a black hole, it would be about the size of a marble. Same mass, different density.
Enough of my geek speak!!! Its Obama's fault!!!!!! and Bushes fault!!!! Die commie/liberal/conservative/republican/democrat/whatever!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by hollohas
I need a towel boy... my brain just exploded and I'm drooling all over my desk... Ouch that hurts! hollohas, I know how you feel now, and I watch a shitton of that show the Universe... I think I'm going to try to quote that on this subject sometime soon, instead of nynco spouting off about Star Gate like some 14 year old nerd living in his mom's basement... sorry nynco, I wasn't trying to insult you, but I have to say it: Stargate!? You're addressing complex astrophysics with a fucking sci-fi/fantasy show? It's un-scientific based fiction... that's like General Schwartzkopf going to war with Iraq in 1991 using Robert Heinlien as his tactical inspiration. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
Hawking did state that the infinite expanse would be impossible to calculate for us being such a small speck in the wide spectrum of the universe, so I think that explains his lack of theory on the matter, because theory is impossible if it's infinite. You cannot physically calculate infinity, it's not possible so therefore if the universe is infinite we would never be able to tell because you couldn't prove or disprove something so big (that's really the only word I can come up with) and just taking time to measure it would be more than the entire existence of an entire species... we're talking sextillion years here minimum (that's 10 to the 21st power -21 0's). Okay, I need to go put myself on O2 now...
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Yup, agreed. They called it a hole because that's what it looks like...A hole in the universe. But that type of mass and density is outside our comprehension. How the F is something so massive that even light can't escape it's gravity? And why the F does a star that runs out of fuel turn into that? Why? Why! cannot compute (robot voice again)Quote:
Originally Posted by jscwerve
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Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot them?
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WTF?
Braille in the drive through ATM?
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WTF
I didn't know Monky was posting here. How goes the house hunt??? Still want to go to the gun show Saturday?? [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfool
[Flower]
(My thoughts were of how to de-rail a train wreck.....)
BOOBIE'S Nice round Boobie's!! Wait Female Boobie's!! I know this crowd!!! [ROFL2][Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by GunsRBadMMMMKay
I heard DSB Outdoors got into a 3-way last weekend!!!!![NoEvil]
Not a Fan of monkeys,,, I like bears.
Hey the bike that just left for Sturgis from our shop has Elephant hide for a seat...
His reference to Stargate wasn't related to complex astrophysics, it was in relation to religion and spiritual beliefs expressed through the show. It's an analogy by comparison to a TV series that ran for like 17 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
I think what you're trying to get at is called Grahams Number:Quote:
Hawking did state that the infinite expanse would be impossible to calculate for us being such a small speck in the wide spectrum of the universe, so I think that explains his lack of theory on the matter, because theory is impossible if it's infinite. You cannot physically calculate infinity, it's not possible so therefore if the universe is infinite we would never be able to tell because you couldn't prove or disprove something so big (that's really the only word I can come up with) and just taking time to measure it would be more than the entire existence of an entire species... we're talking sextillion years here minimum (that's 10 to the 21st power -21 0's). Okay, I need to go put myself on O2 now...
The question of universal expansion, of whether or not we live in a runaway universe that will eventually die cold; or one in which gravity eventually wins, collapsing back on itself in a implosion of all the matter and mass, all the black holes and stars, galaxies and dark matter piling back into one spot is an interesting question. Where's that grammar nazi to flag my runaway sentence?Quote:
Graham's number is unimaginably larger than other well-known large numbers such as a googol, googolplex, and even larger than Skewes' number and Moser's number. Indeed, the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number, assuming that each digit occupies at least one Planck volume. Even power towers of the form http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/b/9...3bf29b4899.png are useless for this purpose
I think that question is almost philosophical in nature. It currently seems the evidence points to a runaway universe, where everything is getting farther away at a faster rate. This would indicate that the big bang was a one time event, which makes it an anomaly. I somewhat prefer the concept of an eventual collapse, as it seems like bringing all the mass of the universe back to a single point would have to be something like a repeat of the big bang, a reset of the universe -- and quite possibly changes to the laws of physics.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number
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Hmmm tater tots.......[Dinner]Quote:
Originally Posted by alan0269
House hunt = annoying. DO the people trying to sell their house not realize that when 4 houses around you sold for 80k less than what you're listing for .. you're not going to sell... and you're a damn fool if you think I can't see what you purchased the house for 2 years ago and just because you threw some paint on the walls you expect to make a 90% profit.. F U..Quote:
Originally Posted by DSB OUTDOORS
That's how house hunting is going. /facepalm..
Yes.. I still plan on going to the fun show. I really wanna go punch holes in paper atm.
I'll tell you WHUT. [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by flan7211
Astrophysics,black holes, tater tots, barbacues,female boobs, my head hurts..........[Help]
I like pickles.
Nice avatar there Mopar. You got one?
No, I wish. But I do have a 2010 Challenger R/T, also have two Dodge duallys ,the wife has a Chrysler 300 hemi C, and a Toyota 4 runner.(How the hell did that one get in there?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Omicron
4Runner's are good, reliable SUVs... but you should really talk her into the new Durango- those are sick! I wish I could have one, but I opted to sell my 2000 Durango and upgrade to the BMW 3Series.... still have my Ran 1500 though so I'm not a total traitor! MOPAR4LIFE! Hey mopar, please tell me at least one of your duallys has this sticker:Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar
http://www.vinyl-decals.com/prodimag...ing-chevys.gif
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Originally Posted by Ronin13
No , I'm gonna have to get me a couple of those LOL. One of the duallys is
a 91 diesel, real good for smokin bicycycles.......OOPS wrong thread[Help]
I'm relatively new to the forum, but its quickly becoming one of my vices.
You are a bunch of great guys and gals and entertaining as hell.[Beer]
+1; I have two monitors on my desk. One to do my email and work, the other has Co Ar15 up always. Very addicting and entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar
haha same here!Quote:
Originally Posted by n8tive97
Looks like I need to upgrade so I'm not switching between browser windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by n8tive97
Pretty respectable collection there. Among other things, I've got a 2008 Challenger SRT8. S'why I noticed your avatar. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar