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07-05-2012, 18:38
Wiggity

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

YES! This exactly, Wiggity, that's the point he's trying to make, I think, that people see how absurd this is and go "wow, hate crime is kinda a dumb thing." 'Course ya know the majority is too dumb to draw that conclusion. But the overall point here is that his property was trespassed upon and vandalized (albeit small, but where do we draw the line?), and Luigi believes (correct me if I'm wrong) that there would be a huge outcry if it was Catholic or Jewish, but because he's a non-conformist Satanist, it's no big deal right? Bullshit, equality is a two way street.

Yes I realize that.

I just think its an effing stupid and ineffective way of making that point.
07-05-2012, 18:42
lpgasman

Getting good, raaaaarr!
07-05-2012, 18:43
JM Ver. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Wiggity

Clearly a well thought out response, what do you have against me?

Nothing. I just think you're over reacting and find it amusing that you're so upset over all this.
07-05-2012, 18:48
streetglideok

I dont care who it is, this still does not qualify as a hate crime, except in the eyes of the accuser. The poster that was torn down allegedly said "vote satan", but made no reference to any religion. It made a political statement, therefore, it was not an attack on his religion. The reason I worded that it was allegedly, is because, we saw a picture of a poster that resembled it, but we have no idea what was really there when the poster was torn down. It could have said "satan is god", then it would be a hate crime, but then it may have said "vote satan", or may have said "free candy" at the time of its removal. We have only circumstantial evidence.
07-05-2012, 18:49
TriggerHappy

IBL... While JM2.0 is Pushing buttons.!!
07-05-2012, 19:03
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by Wiggity

Way to stoop to their level!!!!! That'll show em.

How on earth will this change the thought process of people who are proponents of the whole "hate crime" thing?

Especially when so much stupid shit like this has already happened and those people STILL believe justice is being done.

Your AC crap out?? One guy i know just kicked it yesterday from a heat stroke, let's not double down.
07-05-2012, 19:04
jerrymrc

I look at it like this. As many have said; Good, bad, right or wrong I will defend your right to say it.

I do not think anyone of the staff has deleted any posts in any of the threads relating to this topic. Even though new ones keep popping up like weeds I truly believe that a few members just want a chance to go on about it.

We have let them run there course until they become one big "ME TOO!!!"

So after feeling they have run there course I have closed them. I am not alone in this thought. I believe this is the 4th thread on the subject. Are the members that bored that all they can do is drag it up again? [Bang]

Tell ya what. I will leave this open to comments for the evening. If any think I am being heavy handed I welcome you to try this trick on other Firearms forums.

I just happen to be the Hatchet Man these days but it is not done without a vote if ya catch my drift. [Coffee]
07-05-2012, 19:12
whiskeyjack

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Originally Posted by jerrymrc

I look at it like this. As many have said; Good, bad, right or wrong I will defend your right to say it.

I do not think anyone of the staff has deleted any posts in any of the threads relating to this topic. Even though new ones keep popping up like weeds I truly believe that a few members just want a chance to go on about it.

We have let them run there course until they become one big "ME TOO!!!"

So after feeling they have run there course I have closed them. I am not alone in this thought. I believe this is the 4th thread on the subject. Are the members that bored that all they can do is drag it up again? [Bang]

Tell ya what. I will leave this open to comments for the evening. If any think I am being heavy handed I welcome you to try this trick on other Firearms forums.

I just happen to be the Hatchet Man these days but it is not done without a vote if ya catch my drift. [Coffee]

kill 'em all let God sort them out.
07-05-2012, 19:25
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by jerrymrc

I look at it like this. As many have said; Good, bad, right or wrong I will defend your right to say it.

I do not think anyone of the staff has deleted any posts in any of the threads relating to this topic. Even though new ones keep popping up like weeds I truly believe that a few members just want a chance to go on about it.

We have let them run there course until they become one big "ME TOO!!!"

So after feeling they have run there course I have closed them. I am not alone in this thought. I believe this is the 4th thread on the subject. Are the members that bored that all they can do is drag it up again? [Bang]

Tell ya what. I will leave this open to comments for the evening. If any think I am being heavy handed I welcome you to try this trick on other Firearms forums.

I just happen to be the Hatchet Man these days but it is not done without a vote if ya catch my drift. [Coffee]

Jerry, well put! This is one of the few places (if not the ONLY) on the interwebz that will allow some of the things that go on to just slide... Yes this horse has been beaten pretty hard, but I think it shows with 4 threads that it's not dead yet. It's kind of a hot button issue involving one of our fellow members, who I think we can all safely say regardless of meeting him in person or not (I'm in the not category but hope to change that) we support him regardless of his religious or spiritual affiliations. I firmly believe the underlying theme to this issue is that Luigi is pointing out the hypocracy and inequality in our society that is supposed to be so tolerant. Simply put, in the words of Ridge "Promote tolerance!" You may not agree with it, you may think his going about the situation is dumb, but in the end, is he not an American like us? Entitled to the same justice as the rest of us enjoy?
07-05-2012, 19:33
streetglideok

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Originally Posted by whiskeyjack

kill 'em all let God sort them out.

Lol now that is not very PC, and insensitive to the victim here. After all, wouldn't it be Satan that would sort it out, not god? [Pop]
07-05-2012, 20:16
cebeu

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Originally Posted by jerrymrc

I look at it like this. As many have said; Good, bad, right or wrong I will defend your right to say it.

I do not think anyone of the staff has deleted any posts in any of the threads relating to this topic. Even though new ones keep popping up like weeds I truly believe that a few members just want a chance to go on about it.

We have let them run there course until they become one big "ME TOO!!!"

So after feeling they have run there course I have closed them. I am not alone in this thought. I believe this is the 4th thread on the subject. Are the members that bored that all they can do is drag it up again? [Bang]

Tell ya what. I will leave this open to comments for the evening. If any think I am being heavy handed I welcome you to try this trick on other Firearms forums.

I just happen to be the Hatchet Man these days but it is not done without a vote if ya catch my drift. [Coffee]

You folks are the best Jerry, you know that and you treat us too well (a sh!tload of rope doled out around here). You also know this was shear fun my man...sincerely. Besides, I couldn't think of a more stoopid/humorous thread title when I first saw this but...c'mon...phuck this is funny...our own little COAR thread as recent as ~2 weeks ago now on the Fox home page today...that is just irony that is too damn funny not to jump on, I'm obligated.

heh heh

[Pot]
07-05-2012, 20:22
Byte Stryke

YES!

Someone is in trouble and it's NOT ME!!!

[Neene1]
07-05-2012, 20:31
jerrymrc

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

YES!

Someone is in trouble and it's NOT ME!!!

[Neene1]

Your down right boring these days. [LOL][Kick3]
07-05-2012, 20:35
TriggerHappy

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

YES!

Someone is in trouble and it's NOT ME!!!

[Neene1]

That's a first!!![LOL]
07-05-2012, 20:42
bellavite1

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

YES! This exactly, Wiggity, that's the point he's trying to make, I think, that people see how absurd this is and go "wow, hate crime is kinda a dumb thing." 'Course ya know the majority is too dumb to draw that conclusion. But the overall point here is that his property was trespassed upon and vandalized (albeit small, but where do we draw the line?), and Luigi believes (correct me if I'm wrong) that there would be a huge outcry if it was Catholic or Jewish, but because he's a non-conformist Satanist, it's no big deal right? Bullshit, equality is a two way street.

Shhh! I think they're gonna do it, don't blow it! [ROFL1] Trey and Matt are usually pretty good about satirizing the most recent news, let's hope they do just to further (what I believe is) Luigi's point! [Beer]
BTW- for the record, I don't know what they were subjected to, but I went to the same high school as Trey Parker and I don't have that kind of genius for comedy...

You are correct Sir.
And with this I'm out, I don't like repeating myself and deaf ears won't hear anyways.
Thank you.[Beer]
07-05-2012, 20:52
bellavite1

Oh, and by the way,I am pretty over this myself: police still thinks it's just a theft and the most intelligent comment on the news web sites has been something to the effect of "I think all Satanists should die, if someone can do it without getting caught I think they should kill them"...
So, like I said, what's the point?[Bang]
07-05-2012, 20:53
WETWRKS

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

YES!

Someone is in trouble and it's NOT ME!!!

[Neene1]

Ope...ban him. :D
07-05-2012, 20:54
Byte Stryke

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Originally Posted by jerrymrc

Your down right boring these days. [LOL][Kick3]

you're

:D

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Originally Posted by TriggerHappy

That's a first!!![LOL]

inorite?
07-05-2012, 20:56
roberth

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Originally Posted by bellavite1

Oh, and by the way,I am pretty over this myself: police still thinks it's just a theft and the most intelligent comment on the news web sites has been something to the effect of "I think all Satanists should die, if someone can do it without getting caught I think they should kill them"...
So, like I said, what's the point?[Bang]

There's that tolerance and 1st amendment for ya.

The first amendment exists to protect things we don't agree with. I hate Nazis but they have the right to free speech and as much as I hate them I'll defend their right.
07-05-2012, 21:15
argonstrom

So... Wiggity posts something contrary to the majority here, speaking his own mind, and so many beat him down for it?

Wow, guys.
07-05-2012, 21:38
spyder

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I'm no Satanist but...wouldn't Satan condone hate? I mean, he's gotta be a pretty bad dude. Probably all full of hate himself. If that's the case, how can this even be a crime?

I was wondering that myself... Didn't satan put whoever did this up to the job?

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Originally Posted by lpgasman

Wouldn't he have to swoop up?

[LOL]

I would like to know though, when does theft or vandalizm move from a petty retard crime, to a hate crime? So some dumb kid that really loved that sign or thought it was cool, cuts it down to have in his bedroom, committed a hate crime?

If it was some bible thumper that came to a screeching hault in her car to jump out all pissy like to run up your porch and chop down your sign and burn it later, I can see that as a hate crime, maybe. Or it could just be some dumb bitch being a, well, a bitch....

This subject reminds me of when one of my kids takes the others hair tie or something stupid like that, and they want them to be punished like the decked the other....

I firmly believe in an eye for an eye, so how about if you get to go cut down one of their lawn ornaments? There is such a thing as blowing things out of proportion. [Beer]

Oh, and in before this gets shut down!
07-05-2012, 22:01
sneakerd

[Bed]
07-05-2012, 22:58
Wiggity

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Originally Posted by TheInternet

So... Wiggity posts something contrary to the majority here, speaking his own mind, and so many beat him down for it?

Wow, guys.

Tolerance camp. Where intolerance is not tolerated.
07-05-2012, 23:25
Irving

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Originally Posted by streetglideok

I dont care who it is, this still does not qualify as a hate crime, except in the eyes of the accuser. The poster that was torn down allegedly said "vote satan", but made no reference to any religion. It made a political statement, therefore, it was not an attack on his religion. The reason I worded that it was allegedly, is because, we saw a picture of a poster that resembled it, but we have no idea what was really there when the poster was torn down. It could have said "satan is god", then it would be a hate crime, but then it may have said "vote satan", or may have said "free candy" at the time of its removal. We have only circumstantial evidence.

This is the entire point, that there is no such thing as a hate crime. By your definition, a black kid getting beat up wouldn't be a hate crime, because being black isn't a religion.
07-06-2012, 00:08
J

Lord... This again. And we seem to be in a circular pattern for 2 pages here. There must be a forward moving direction for conversation in this thread... what is it?

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