"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

I spend a lot of time on Ebay. The Parts needs to be more readily avaialble.

You keep talking about gas station time.
Opportunity cost plus the cost of gas.
Gas station time vs charging time.
I will take gas time.
No charging while parking at most of parking lot yet.

I watched a lot of videos of Tesla rebuilds and diy.
I haven't had opportunity to work on major Tesla stuff from 2 guys who own s out of warranty, but we all know it would be b1txh to work on.

I am not trolling because my preference is 650s over 100d out of warranty.
(Like some prefers diesel broDozer over ev)

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There's more than just eBay.

Charge time? What charge time? 99% of the time I get home, I plug it in and I'm done. Unplug it when I'm ready to leave. This "charge time" so many EV haters hang their hat on is on random road trips which comprises less than 1% of the average owners usage. I haven't been to a gas station in about 6 months and I can't tell you how liberating that is... especially in the winter time in Colorado.

You "know" it would be a bitch to work on and you haven't even worked on them. Okay. Well, from someone has had his Model S's apart numerous times now for mods and fixes it's not hard. Certainly not any harder than any other car and compared to most it's quite a bit less difficult to work on.

If you simply would rather have a 650 than a 100D then that's your opinion and it's based on emotion which I can't argue. To say that you'd rather have it out of warranty insinuates that it will somehow cost less or be more reliable which simply isn't the case. You can have your 650 but my Tesla will be quieter, faster (not top speed but how often will you go 200+ mph?), safer, more economical, smarter, more roomy and more reliable by a large margin.

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Originally Posted by skoodge

Just saying, "on the used market", so you're gambling with used parts? Not that I havent done that before, or new parts aren't a gamble either, but new vs used.

Also, as I said, yes they're not manufacturer warranties, but no you Dont have to go to the dealership to pay their obsurd rates; you just have to go to certified repairshop.

But so it's not a manufacturer lifetime warranty, it's still a dealership lifetime powertrain warranty. What's wrong with an aftermarket warranty? I had an aftermarket warranty on my previous car, wasnt a lifetime warranty, but no issues.

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Not always used but most are, yes. Lots of new take-offs that are technically new and cost a fraction of what the part would cost new. You also pay a relative amount based on the part and it's estimated life expectancy so in the end it makes it worth the risk unless you overpay. But, again, I can't tell you the last time I walked into a dealership to buy a brand new OEM part at retail price to install on my vehicle. It's almost always used or aftermarket.

Regardless of if you're taking it to a dealership or a certified repair shop you're paying for labor and I don't pay for labor. I do my own work. I don't pay someone else to do things I can do for myself. So paying for labor is hardly free. There are a LOT of caveats to 3rd party warranties and as such I place zero value in them.

As to your question about 3rd party warranties... that's an entirely separate conversation I'm getting into on this thread. You're comparing apples to aardvarks though for purposes of this conversation.

All I really have left to say is... When does the discussion about PC vs Apple start?

I found peanut butter in the chocolate.

What is a warranty? Who spends more than $10k buying a vehicle? Does it start? Does it run? Will it get me where I'm going with the stuff I want to take? How much will a new set of tires run me?

[Flower]

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Originally Posted by skoodge

All I really have left to say is... When does the discussion about PC vs Apple start?

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When Chevy vs Ford ends. :)

And I will be talking about Dodge trucks between the argument.

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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

I found peanut butter in the chocolate.

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Comrade. You got chocolate in my peanut butter

Tesla is making announcements as I type this. So far the big news is that the Model 3 for $35k is now a reality earlier than expected. Range is 220 miles, 0-60 in mid 5's and delivery in under a month from when you order. There's been some other updates and more forthcoming (hopefully details on v3.0 Supercharging) info but I thought I'd update since the $35k Tesla has been brought up here and there during EV conversations. I debated started a new thread but it's a gun forum so I'll keep the EV topic discussion to this thread for now to avoid fragmentation.

I saw that.

Roush Performance announced, for the 2019 Ford Raptor, a "performance pac" that includes an ECU to boost hp and torque.