Do Civilians Armed With Guns Ever Capture, Kill, or Otherwise Stop Mass Shooters?

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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob

That was an armed security, if I remember correctly, an off duty LEO. Not a common Joe or Jane with a CCW.

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This is the same argument I have seen the anti's use time and time again. That she wasn't a "civilian" so it doesn't count. She was retired and a volunteer, so yeah, it counts. A retired LEO is a civilian like anyone else.

I carry at church and I volunteer to hangout in the foyer to monitor the church and parking lot during service multiple times each month. Does that mean I am "armed security" and not a civilian? Of course not. I am an armed civilian.

As for the other cases, the anti's always say "well, the killer was done shooting by the time they were confronted by an armed individual, so they didn't actually stop anything." Assumptions and conjecture, always to downplay the actions of a good guy with a gun.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Why does it matter whether the person using the gun to stop a violent criminal from injuring or killing innocent people is a civilian or sworn peace officer?

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I don't think it matters to us, but it matters to the anti's.

It is the main argument the anti's use. The anti's insist there isn't any evidence that CIVILIANS can stop shootings because it's always either a "trained" LEO/Security/Etc or the civilian arrived after the shooting stops.

We need to be able to prove that argument wrong with the facts that prove otherwise.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

We need to be able to prove that argument wrong with the facts that prove otherwise.

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LOL! Like they'll even listen to facts.

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

LOL! Like they'll even listen to facts.

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The antis won't ever listen to facts but the undecideds will and they'll assume the anti-gun lies are true if we don't correct them.

If you're going to research this you need to look at the other side. How many times have armed citizens wounded or killed someone other than criminal shooter or otherwise negatively affected the situation? We must be prepared for the opposition's responses, stay a step ahead.

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Originally Posted by Portsider86

If you're going to research this you need to look at the other side. How many times have armed citizens wounded or killed someone other than criminal shooter or otherwise negatively affected the situation? We must be prepared for the opposition's responses, stay a step ahead.

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While this is a risk, it happens far less often than the cops or criminals hurting some innocent bystander with stray rounds, in part because most CCW holders are more cognizant of the consequences of stray rounds, and are not covered by sovereign immunity.