So what, specifically, do our new overlords have planned for us?

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Originally Posted by boxy

I'll say first that I don't support this, but there is something in here that would benefit us childfree folks.





Obviously the wording of the actual bill could be different, but it seems to apply to FMLA or sick leave as well.

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Those buzz words translate to: Once you've exhausted all PTO, sick days and any comp time. Sounds like a loose form of workers comp.

First legislative session was yesterday.

For all those that think that any of the Family Leave, single payer, etc are good ideas... (maybe a DEM is reading this).

Here is a direct effect. I have 2 to 3 engineering positions I was going to fill this year. Not any more.

I have to expand my manufacturing operations. My manufacturing orders went up 10X for Q2 2019. I will hire a few extra people but not many.

Basically, DEMS have added to much uncertainty with respect to employees so until the dust settles, I try not to hire. And I have interviews with two engineers this morning. I have not decided if I will fill the open positions.

So, the direct result is less hiring.

I will shut down my Classic car restoration operation here and do all my work from my AZ shop. I don't need this crap. Four employees will be let go or have to move to AZ.

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Originally Posted by DDT951

For all those that think that any of the Family Leave, single payer, etc are good ideas... (maybe a DEM is reading this).

Here is a direct effect. I have 2 to 3 engineering positions I was going to fill this year. Not any more.

I have to expand my manufacturing operations. My manufacturing orders went up 10X for Q2 2019. I will hire a few extra people but not many.

Basically, DEMS have added to much uncertainty with respect to employees so until the dust settles, I try not to hire. And I have interviews with two engineers this morning. I have not decided if I will fill the open positions.

So, the direct result is less hiring.

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Can you elaborate a little more? Do these things raise your employee costs enough that the revenue generated by a 10x increase in orders does not offset 2-3 engineering positions?

Just trying to understand.

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Originally Posted by boxy

Can you elaborate a little more? Do these things raise your employee costs enough that the revenue generated by a 10x increase in orders does not offset 2-3 engineering positions?

Just trying to understand.

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Enough uncertainty that I won't hire as many as I would have.

Also questioning where to manufacture. Was going to be CO. Arrived in in the EU this morning and this week discussing Czech production site.

Having possible radical changes that drive up costs possible does not make businesses want to hire.

One hope is participating in the "industry partnership" workshops over the family leave bill. We are hoping to try and help steer them away or not do too much damage. I dont have a lot of hope of working with DEMS.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

So when do we start seeing new bills on these state Democratic platform points?

Firearms and Gun Safety
We agree with individual ownership of firearms for hunting and personal safety, but also believe that firearms should be
regulated as follows:
1. Ban assault weapons, bump stocks, and high capacity magazines.
2. Enact universal background checks federally.
3. Enact restrictions: Must be 21 and must demonstrate competency with firearms to purchase a firearm.
4. Prohibit the possession and purchase of firearms by people with violent criminal offenses or on terrorist watch list.
5. Except for security personnel, ban firearms on K-12 schools, college campuses and allow cultural institutions to ban firearms on their premises.
6. Enact Extreme Risk Protection Order law, which would allow families and law enforcement to seek a court order to temporarily disarm a person who is dangerous to themselves or others.
7. Enact criminal penalties when adults fail to properly store firearms and minors gain access and harm themselves or others.
8. Restrict firearms use in National Forest to designated areas, except during hunting season.
9. Allow the CDC and other government agencies to conduct gun violence research, and properly fund.

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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

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Aleksandr was right.

Unfortunately 98% of the people in this country who could take up arms against their oppressor won't, they're too comfortable and complacent, me included.

Nobody wants to start anything because there aren't enough people willing to join in.

As a result we'll get the government we deserve.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

So when do we start seeing new bills on these state Democratic platform points?

Firearms and Gun Safety
We agree with individual ownership of firearms for hunting and personal safety, but also believe that firearms should be
regulated as follows:
1. Ban assault weapons, bump stocks, and high capacity magazines.
2. Enact universal background checks federally.
3. Enact restrictions: Must be 21 and must demonstrate competency with firearms to purchase a firearm.
4. Prohibit the possession and purchase of firearms by people with violent criminal offenses or on terrorist watch list.
5. Except for security personnel, ban firearms on K-12 schools, college campuses and allow cultural institutions to ban firearms on their premises.
6. Enact Extreme Risk Protection Order law, which would allow families and law enforcement to seek a court order to temporarily disarm a person who is dangerous to themselves or others.
7. Enact criminal penalties when adults fail to properly store firearms and minors gain access and harm themselves or others.
8. Restrict firearms use in National Forest to designated areas, except during hunting season.
9. Allow the CDC and other government agencies to conduct gun violence research, and properly fund.

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I posted this in the Polis thread too; we need to organize as soon as possible, and be ready to fight with the only thing those people understand...throwing them out of office.

We only need to flip two senators to block gun control at the legislature. We need to go after these three before it is passed with the ultimatum that they will be recalled; maybe just show up at the hearings with the petitions in hand and organize rather than listen to their BS because they won't listen to us anyway.

Leroy Garcia, District 3 (this was Giron's seat so he knows a recall is possible)
Pete Lee, District 11 (this was Morse's seat so he also knows a recall is possible)
Tammy Story, District 16 (this is Neville's seat that he lost, and a lot of mountain people will trash her on the gun issue)

Jessie Danielson (D20) and Brittany Patterson (D22) are possibilities too.
Faith Winter (D24) is another one too; she flipped the seat from Beth Martinez Humenik

Does anyone have any actual contacts with people who are spooling up legislation or is this all speculation?

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Originally Posted by Pancho Villa

Does anyone have any actual contacts with people who are spooling up legislation or is this all speculation?

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Good place to start.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bill-search...levance%20DESC

Expect them to go full Oregon, where a bill has been introduced limiting ammunition purchases to 20 rounds a month (among other things), then out of the goodness of their hearts, offer to "compromise".

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/sto...on/2527929002/

O2

...I should add. We won't see any legislation until the next school or other high profile shooting. Then, like New York's SAFE act, legislation will be proposed, passed and signed into law in less than 48 hours.

The dems know how to get stuff passed with a minimum of bother from the serfs.

We won't know what hit us.

O2

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

...I should add. We won't see any legislation until the next school or other high profile shooting. Then, like New York's SAFE act, legislation will be proposed, passed and signed into law in less than 48 hours.

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So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?

Seems easy.

When has pot ever been part of that equation?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=link+between+te...e+and+violence

Pot leads to school shootings is another big leap on your part.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Pot leads to school shootings is another big leap on your part.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...empted-n898151

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During the interview, he says that he had used a lot of marijuana and had taken a lot of the prescription tranquilizer Xanax.

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This is the asshole who just won Florida their red flag "law."


http://content.time.com/time/nation/...ss-mostpopular

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An Army official says Loughner admitted he was a regular marijuana user.

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This is the asshole who got us Everytown.


https://kdvr.com/2015/02/02/new-stat...-adult-brains/

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Aurora theater gunman James Holmes was being treated for some form of psychoses by University of Colorado doctors. Acquaintances have said Holmes smoked pot regularly.

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This is the asshole who got us mag bans.

Okay you win. The oldest drug known to man has recently started a rash of school shootings.

When did Sturving become a pro-drug SJW?

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I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).

The second Colorado started talking about decriminalization, people started complaining that every traffic infraction they saw was "some stoner." Same shitty drivers every day, but now it was all being blamed on weed. When PokemonGo came out, I kept hearing people complaining about how people were just zombies on their phones because they were all playing PokemonGo. Really? People have been glued to their cell phones for the past 20 years, and now if you see someone not paying attention it's because of Pokemon? Then that died down and people went back to just regular complaining. It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever. I know it's annoying, but if I feel like something is getting blamed that may not be related, I'm going to say something about it. I feel like Colorado has been swirling the bowl since before I was old enough to understand and experience the changes myself, and regardless of legal weed, the population here is growing and we're getting all the increased regulation and dipshit nanny state laws that come with that. I just can't imagine any other place of similar population levels where people aren't spending most of their time complaining about things they don't like.

There's a high coorelation between violent poeople and those who drank mother's milk as a baby, too.

O2

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I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).

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It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever.
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It is also "just human nature" to take an unprincipled stand on things that are opposed to the actions of one's self, one's family, and one's close friends. Illegal Aliens, Pot, welfare, whatever.

However, it does not create truth in one's argument.

I forgot about illegals.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I forgot about illegals.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).

The second Colorado started talking about decriminalization, people started complaining that every traffic infraction they saw was "some stoner." Same shitty drivers every day, but now it was all being blamed on weed. When PokemonGo came out, I kept hearing people complaining about how people were just zombies on their phones because they were all playing PokemonGo. Really? People have been glued to their cell phones for the past 20 years, and now if you see someone not paying attention it's because of Pokemon? Then that died down and people went back to just regular complaining. It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever. I know it's annoying, but if I feel like something is getting blamed that may not be related, I'm going to say something about it. I feel like Colorado has been swirling the bowl since before I was old enough to understand and experience the changes myself, and regardless of legal weed, the population here is growing and we're getting all the increased regulation and dipshit nanny state laws that come with that. I just can't imagine any other place of similar population levels where people aren't spending most of their time complaining about things they don't like.

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It's not like legal weed is the latest thing in Colorado... been over 5 years now, hasn't it?

I wasn't in the metro... so didn't see the decline caused by liberalization directly (until the gunpocalypse of 2012)... but started seeing major changes that seemed related to MJ legalization- been involved with several discussions on this site (and several others)... And I continue to have discussions because there are people who want legalization in TX. I'm going to continue to fight against it, because I believe wholeheartedly that it would lead to TX being a blue state sooner than it is already doomed to.

But at least I now understand what you're doing.... even if I can't identify with it or why.

That's not what this thread is about.

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That's not what this thread is about.

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This could get interesting.

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Oh please, all of ya'll mentioning the illegals but now I do & suddenly it's not about that and they are unmentionable? Miss me. This thread is titled "SO WHAT DO OUR NEW OVERLORDS HAVE PLANNED FOR US". Trump is head overlord isn't he? So this is the correct thread for this post. If my comment is not in the right place then I'll move it to whatever thread you want but it does not change the facts or the laws, which are to use E-verify and NOT hire illegals while hypocritically condemning them. You specifically forgot about illegals in this thread so I thoughtfully & factually reminded you, in the same thread.

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I am the OP, and this thread was intended to discuss the legislative plans of the "D"-trifecta once again infesting the Colorado State Capitol, not really the national debate on immigrants or general Trump policies.

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Originally Posted by GloRida

Really? I didn't see many factual discussions, I saw some daydreaming:
"I envision a fee to use the gas pump."
I saw some kooky hypotheticals about policy, including about "Illegals":
"Repealing TABOR will be their first priority, so they can push for socialist single payer medical, expanded services for LGBT & Illlegal Aliens"
I saw the usual whiney "Welcome to New California, blah blah."
I saw the usual insulting/bashing of others "I trust Libs about as much as a fart at Casa Bonita."
I saw this nonsense: "LBGTQWREOJMSPOHSA ..we just all need to cross dress, talk about our sexuality, and carry guns so we are accepted".
I saw gay sex & butt joke attempts: "In the end, one way or another we will get the short shitty end of the stick. Is this a reference to the new governor's boyfriend?" along with silly videos.
I saw more silly videos about where to hide your weed stash.
I saw some advise on hiding & deleting your online activity: When we do get some kind of draconian gun laws, I'd like to see the owners of this site delete all the posts and start over fresh so as to not give the State a place to search and find what many of us have said in the past.
I saw this post which I did not think was related: I have no problem with kids. I have problems with people that expect others to pay for their kids, or pay for them to take time off to have them.
I saw a post listing "Buzz words to trigger white guilt" which included "Immigrants. Not illegal, just immigrants. The all inclusive umbrella which shines false hopes on those coming to America, Illegally."
I saw this personal wish list: This should be built like an HSA account, that rolls over and can be invested. And you can draw down unused portions after age 65. Reward people for being invested in their future, and make it equal between child and non-child families. Have 8 kids before 25? Yeah, you're probably not getting 12 weeks of for each of them. Have on kid at 30? F it, take 16 or 20 if you can swing it through your account if you want. Or only take what you need and build it for retirement.
I saw some death wishes: What I need is for Polis and his ilk to overdose on poppers and shingella.
I saw this melancholic post: I will NEVER get to use this "benefit" because I'm too old to have children.
I saw some people asking for tax advise: What if there are no offices in Colorado?
How does being a 1099 change that?
I saw Tax advise being given: The short answer is that a 1099 will be filing taxes similar to a business... quarterly payments, etc... you're not an employee but a contractor.
I saw this stream of speculation: So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?
And this noteworthy 2 cents: There's a high coorelation between violent poeople and those who drank mother's milk as a baby, too.

These comments are totallly acceptable, totally in the right place & are great examples of the intellectual & factual discussion on the legislative plans in Colorado State Capitol that this thread was intended to be. My apologies, I shall do better & take my cue from these enlightening contribuitions as examples.

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You are one that specifically referenced back to my thread title, not the other people.

Glorida, if you are going to cherry pick comments and declare them unrelated, I would suggest you read the thread again, as my comment you used was in direct conversation about proposed legislation BY OUR NEW OVERLORDS.

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Nope, wrong thread! If you want to discuss Xanax, put that in the Xanax prescriptions thread!

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You're going to have to start your own, I can't find one...

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Originally Posted by Irving

Okay you win. The oldest drug known to man has recently started a rash of school shootings.

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Also not what I said..

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So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?

Seems easy.

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Yep it looks like red flag laws will be the first thing they do:

https://www.krdo.com/news/krdo-exclu...lis/1005533201

Polis dodged all the other gun control related issues. If you watch the video clip the segment on gun control starts at about 3:38

Also at about 2:10 you see the "reporter" catch himself in bias with a comment about the voters "sadly" not voting for tax hikes.