"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

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Originally Posted by davsel

Charging stations are not free - we all pay into them - along with paying for the subsidies EV purchasers enjoy.

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Wasnt the free charging for Tesla only for certain models and for a certain number of years? But if you didnt see, earlier this year, Tesla increased it's supercharging prices in NY and CA (and maybe a few other places), and the internet calculating the equivalent gas price (based on miles per charge and cost, etc) it was more expensive to "refill" than gasoline (of course dependent on the gas price of those same NY/CA areas etc).

Which caused an uproar and forced Tesla to lower the prices to appease.

https://electrek.co/2019/01/22/tesla...omer-backlash/

With all the back n forth i'm curious why Jer has ignored post # 26 Or not addressed it?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/betsyat.../#5e49949a68e1

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

With all the back n forth i'm curious why Jer has ignored post # 26 Or not addressed it?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/betsyat.../#5e49949a68e1

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Uh oh, what did Musk tweet this time? Lol.

But, there are other companies dabbling in EV.

Like i said, I know I'll be waiting a decade or so for EV to iron out all the kinks.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

Serious question regarding Tesla's specifically.

What system is in place to allow emergency personnel to open the doors after an accident? How does that work with their fancy door handles?

Only reason I ask that is because I just read an article about a Tesla that crashed and responders said they couldn't open the doors...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...killing-driver

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Jaws of life should open pretty much any car door in the planet. Even Tesla.

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You'd think celebration mode could double as an emergency mode, genius.

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I volunteer to do the testing for door deployment charges, so line 'em up!

The infrastructure of a majority of the world isn't equipped to make a cold turkey transition to 100% renewable energy...but I do think technology will help bridge some of the gaps. Much like countries that skipped land lines completely and went straight to a cellular network, the inverse relationship between technology and consumer cost might do the same with these technologies. The biggest concern I have is the wide spread availability of Lanthanides and Actinides in sufficient quantities to support mainstream applications, especially because China holds 80% of the mining and 95% of the refining of these materials. If all nations aren't on the same page, it simply won't happen.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

While I don?t like to agree with Jer too much, my typical work commute is about 160 miles a day round trip. Even a 200 mile capacity would get me to Cheyenne and back.

I do have other commutes that are about 250 miles one way. While I typically wouldn?t make that trip and come back in the same day it has happened on more than one occasion.

A few of my commutes exceed 600 miles one way and are usually made during a normal ten hour shift but I never expect to return right away.

Usually my commutes require hauling enough equipment to fill the bed of a half ton truck and about half of the cab as well so that might be a deal breaker for using an electric vehicle to commute to work.

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Even on the longer trips if you play your cards right it may still not take much longer than making the same run in an ICE vehicle. In some cases it could even be quicker depending on many possible factors. One thing is certain though and that is that it would certainly cost you much less. Superchargers are pretty darn cheap for those that have to pay and for those that don't (like me) they're 100% free.

If that last point is important then an EV, as they currently exist, may not be the best for you since they're all passenger cars not really made for hauling. The Tesla Model X can pull a trailer and carry some extra gear but it's not intended for serious professional use or anything like that so I wouldn't even suggest it beyond light duty. This is basically what the next wave of EVs looks to address though is the pick-up truck market will be the next one they take on and some of the specs of what we could see that I've seen is awfully promising. Personally, I dislike having a full-size truck so I'd wait for that following wave of pick-ups that will likely include midsize as I feel that's the best for my needs which are slightly above light duty occasionally.

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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

You'd think celebration mode could double as an emergency mode, genius.

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Tesla has a celebration mode?

I?m googling that.

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Originally Posted by Irving

One time I drove 100 miles one way, only to realize I didn't bring the keys to the place I was going, so I had to drive back home and back to the place. If I were in an EV it would have been slightly more inconvenient, maybe, but nothing compared to how much time I lost by being dumb in the first place. These threads make me wonder if I should consider an EV for my wife's next car. Her general commute is maybe 25 miles a day and having one less oil change to worry about would be nice.

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Yeah, that's exactly it man. We've all made bonehead mistakes and you will learn from them regardless of what propulsion system your vehicle uses.

I would say that if your wife's commute is on the shorter side to give it a try. That was our plan to start with her car and keep my truck. We realized once we owned one that it was just an improvement on that aspect of our lives and got a 2nd. The truck will likely be for sale as it's sat for about 5 months now with a battery tender on it. The couple of times I've driven it I'm amazed at how much of a POS it now feels like even though I love that truck.

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Originally Posted by Jer

One thing is certain though and that is that it would certainly cost you much less.

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Oh, without a bunch of boring details, my commuting likely costs you more than it does me. And likely people who drive EVs might be impacted more by the cost of my commutes than those who drive ICEs since whatever electricity is used to charge those things doesn?t just magically appear out of thin air.


And by you, I don?t specifically mean you. You was used as a general term. I work in the energy industry so technically any cost associated with me doing my job are passed along to the end user.

Not sure if any of that makes sense but typing in a hurry because I?m working.