"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[skoodge]

Find what you read and post it.

http://thedrive.com/news/26383/cold-...percent-report

[Jer]

We can agree that EV's are not for everyone, or will work for every task. Out here the nearest charging station is in a part of prescott that we don't or have a need to be. .

Urban centric folks will find them more to their lifestyle, same for some forum members. That need to be near higher density areas where one has a 5 min drive for overpriced coffee and trendy food stores.


Factor in a rocky company that could take a dump. Leaving Tesla owners uncharged with little or not support down the road.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/betsyat.../#5e49949a68e1

Tesla has three Superchargers in less than 60miles from Prescott, AZ. That's just Tesla Superchargers alone. Electricity is EVERYWHERE.

No, you don't have to be a city dweller to own an EV. Hell, if you want to get technical about it there's electricity more locations than gas stations.

As far as "Rocky company" goes... Don't fall for the MSM narrative echoing the shorts who are all losing their asses.

[Great-Kazoo]

http://thedrive.com/news/26383/cold-...percent-report

UNPOSSIBLE !

It would easily use double the amount of power for that 15-mile trip," Jason Hughes, a notorious member of the Tesla community known for modding his cars and refurbishing spare Tesla parts, told the Associated Press. "It's definitely an issue. If you want to go somewhere far in the cold, you're going to be using more power."

[Jer]

Why don't they have solar panels on the roof of the car. At least you could use the cell phone, if the car and cell battery are dead. Contingencies...

Attempts to do exactly this have been made. With the efficiency of the panels plus inverters & added weight it doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to put fixed panels on your home & then capture that created energy in a battery pack like in your car.

[.455_Hunter]

10 miles per minute? ROFL

Tesla Supercharger regularly hit speeds of 300mph. They've also recently announced they will increase their speed (again) significantly this year. Many guestimate a charge rate of nearly double based on the electrical supply ceiling.

All your other examples are just stupid people doing stupid shit. That same idiot also doesn't stop for gas & runs out in the middle of winter too. Tesla has solved a lot of mankind's problems but then can't eradicate stupidity entirely.

Please exain how 10 miles per minute change rate is so wrong? The guy in the video said it takes 45 minutes for a full 300 mile charge, and essentially the same thing is on the Tesla Super Charger Wiki page.

The problem isn't one person with a EV. It's when 10-20% of the cars on the road are competing for very limited charging resources. I guess Dillon is going to tear down their motels and restaurants to build more charging stations.

EVs seem to be good choices for somebody with a limited operations area who has low probability of needing extended driving periods.

[Jer]

Isn't 300 miles per hour only 5 miles per minute?

Give or take.

People often like to discuss road trips as if that's what everyone does every day. It isn't.

99% of the time you'll get home at the end of your work day, plug in & go to bed. The next morning you unplug & go to work. That's it. You don't think twice about it & it's noticeable the amount of time you save when that's all you have to do. When you return home you likely have 80% of your range left. This is typical. This is what should be most importantly to the decision making process but people get so hung up on range anxiety making it a much bigger deal than it is in 2019.

[Jer]

Please exain how 10 miles per minute change rate is so wrong? The guy in the video said it takes 45 minutes for a full 300 mile charge, and essentially the same thing is on the Tesla Super Charger Wiki page.

The problem isn't one person with a EV. It's when 10-20% of the cars on the road are competing for very limited charging resources. I guess Dillon is going to tear down their motels and restaurants to build more charging stations.

EVs seem to be good choices for somebody with a limited operations area who has low probability of needing extended driving periods.

Edit: voice to text screwed me below so I did some delayed house cleaning:

You're thinking of refueling in terms of a car. With an electric car there's very few instances where it makes sense to deplete the battery to near empty and then fill it to near full. This is why when you're going on long road trips you typically stop every couple of hours for 15 to 25 minutes or so. Sure you can stay for longer if there's a restaurant nearby or something you want to check out. Longer stops decrease the amount of stops you make, the length of charge time or potentially even both. It's really not that complex once you're out on the highway going.

So far every time we've gone to a supercharger there's been many stalls available. All you do is enter the address of your destination and go. The nav figures everything else out for you. It will show you where your supercharger stops are as well as how much battery will be remaining and how long you need to be at each station. It even shows you the number of stalls that are there and how many of them are available real time so you know before you even pull up that two out of 12 are currently in-use.

As far as number of superchargers they doubled the total count over the last two years and at the end of last year announced that they would double it again this year which effectively means an install rate of 4 times the previous two year's rate. So far they've done a really good job in keeping ahead of demand as it applies to superchargers and all but a select few major populated areas.

[ray1970]

While I don?t like to agree with Jer too much, my typical work commute is about 160 miles a day round trip. Even a 200 mile capacity would get me to Cheyenne and back.

I do have other commutes that are about 250 miles one way. While I typically wouldn?t make that trip and come back in the same day it has happened on more than one occasion.

A few of my commutes exceed 600 miles one way and are usually made during a normal ten hour shift but I never expect to return right away.

Usually my commutes require hauling enough equipment to fill the bed of a half ton truck and about half of the cab as well so that might be a deal breaker for using an electric vehicle to commute to work.

[Irving]

One time I drove 100 miles one way, only to realize I didn't bring the keys to the place I was going, so I had to drive back home and back to the place. If I were in an EV it would have been slightly more inconvenient, maybe, but nothing compared to how much time I lost by being dumb in the first place. These threads make me wonder if I should consider an EV for my wife's next car. Her general commute is maybe 25 miles a day and having one less oil change to worry about would be nice.

[skoodge]

On Jer's / EV side. Looks like Porsche and BMW are testing a charging station in Germany thatll charge for 60 miles in 3 (three!) minutes:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...g-bmw-porsche/

I think it'll still be a good decade or two before EV technology has progressed enough to make ICE vehicles obsolete , or at least antiques. And I personally am going to wait until then, or close to. I still want a Ford F-150 Roush Supercharged edition.