"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[kidicarus13]

What does this look like EV style?

[.455_Hunter]

One time I drove 100 miles one way, only to realize I didn't bring the keys to the place I was going, so I had to drive back home and back to the place. If I were in an EV it would have been slightly more inconvenient, maybe, but nothing compared to how much time I lost by being dumb in the first place. These threads make me wonder if I should consider an EV for my wife's next car. Her general commute is maybe 25 miles a day and having one less oil change to worry about would be nice.

Yes- Her situation does seem like a good candidate for an EV: Local operations area, garage parking, plenty of battery margin to accommodate "issues" (like stuck in traffic in a 10 degree blizzard, or the need to drive back home immediately upon getting work because your kid is barfing in the school nurses office) and the fact that you have another gas car as back-up.

[hollohas]

Here's what I take from all this.

EV's are better than gas vehicles unless:

- you have a long commute.
- you need to go on a road trip.
- it's cold outside.
-you don't live in an urban center with access to public charging.
-you need to haul or tow stuff.
-you need to service the vehicle.

Gas vehicles are better than EV's unless:

- vehicle emissions are a concern.
- you can't afford gas.

Seriously, EV's are a great option for SOME people. But that's a very specific set of conditions for them to make sense.

Conversely, gas vehicles work for EVERYONE. Literally everyone. Short or long drives. Warm or cold weather. Urban or rural.

For that reason alone EV's have a long way to go. Until they can expand their target audience by solving many of the limitations, they just won't be a big part of the auto market.

[Honey Badger282.8]

An EV makes sense for a large portion of the average car buyer, but the infrastructure isn't quite where it needs to be to support that though. I'd be shocked if EV's didn't outsell ICE equipped cars by 2030. My next vehicle will be a Tesla, but I'm keeping my Frontier for camping, hauling, and long road trips.

[ray1970]

What does this look like EV style?

Same picture but the guy is in shorts and sandals and carrying some sort of battery charger.

[davsel]

Charging stations are not free - we all pay into them - along with paying for the subsidies EV purchasers enjoy.
Creating the electricity that goes into an EV is not "clean energy."
Some states already have rolling blackouts due to a lack of electricity in the summer months. What happens when everyone is doubling their electricity needs by driving EVs? More unclean energy production?

Biggest scam yet. The politically connected are getting rich of this nonsense. Even bigger than the damn wind and solar farms.

Physics ain't that difficult - and it cannot be broken.

[hollohas]

Serious question regarding Tesla's specifically.

What system is in place to allow emergency personnel to open the doors after an accident? How does that work with their fancy door handles?

Only reason I ask that is because I just read an article about a Tesla that crashed and responders said they couldn't open the doors...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...killing-driver

[ray1970]

I'd be shocked if EV's didn't outsell ICE equipped cars by 2030.

That?s about eleven years from now if I did my math right. I know technology moves fast but I?d be shocked if more EVs were sold than ICEs by then.

Guess one of us is in for a surprise.

Also, I don?t typically buy into conspiracy type stuff but I don?t believe the oil and gas industry is going to roll over and pretty much go away in the next eleven years and that?s what?s going to pretty much have to happen before EVs outsell gas vehicles.

[Great-Kazoo]

An EV makes sense for a large portion of the average car buyer, but the infrastructure isn't quite where it needs to be to support that though. I'd be shocked if EV's didn't outsell ICE equipped cars by 2030. My next vehicle will be a Tesla, but I'm keeping my Frontier for camping, hauling, and long road trips.

So.. For you and others the EV isn't a 1 size fits all solution. for ICE

I'd consider one if. They were much more affordable . They were more utilitarian and most of all, ADA friendly.

IMO The Tesla is more a status symbol for people to thumb their nose at the peon's, who stick to outdated technology. Sitting around a fire to heat their homes.

[ray1970]

Serious question regarding Tesla's specifically.

What system is in place to allow emergency personnel to open the doors after an accident? How does that work with their fancy door handles?

Only reason I ask that is because I just read an article about a Tesla that crashed and responders said they couldn't open the doors...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...killing-driver

Jaws of life should open pretty much any car door in the planet. Even Tesla.