Person very familiar with NFA items

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Originally Posted by jim

Define explosive devices and who the seller was?
I have seen some things i questioned but the answer i received was satisfactory regarding legality in CO.

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Originally Posted by Gunner

Same here but everything I saw actually legal. wondering what it was

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M18 Smoke grenades about 1 1/2 years ago. The M201A1 igniter used in them are considered explosive devices that require a FEL to posess or transfer.

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Originally Posted by Circuits

Guy from ATF is a contractor hired to answer the phones (Ken Mason?) ... not a "federal agent".

I understand the principles involved better than you seem to understand.

What someone tells you over the phone is not legal advice, unless such person is your lawyer, or a district or US attorney.

I do not advocate flouting or ignoring the laws of Colorado or the United States. Your essential fallacy is inferring that the "decent advice" give you by a "contractor" constitutes rock bottom legal principle.

I am not conducting my businesses, or basing my knowledge, on what a call to the ATF branch tells me. I actually read the relevant federal code, and temper my advice with real-world experience against the platitudes and rules of thumb given me over the phone.

I'm sorry if that's too hard for you. Life isn't necessarily easy.

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Again, keep what you think you know to campfire stories. I'l continue with what I can confirm. Either way, you're going to do whatever you want, regardless of what anyone provides or says. Have fun in your little bubble of a world there.

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Originally Posted by coloccw

Again, keep what you think you know to campfire stories. I'l continue with what I can confirm. Either way, you're going to do whatever you want, regardless of what anyone provides or says. Have fun in your little bubble of a world there.

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I think I'll spread what I "think I know" around more than campfires. You go on confirming and misinforming. You can call me to confirm that, if you need to.

Thanks for the cheeky advice on my bubble - I'll be sure to check it regularly.

Alright boys, is the pissing match done now?

I hadn't chatted with the NFA branch for a while, figured it'd be a good time and to find out when my stuff went pending too (mid June, looking at clearing in December).

Per specialist Janice Fields:

Shorter barrel than on the Form 1? No problem, an SBR is an SBR. A permanent change requires a form of course.

Ordering parts before you have a form 1 in hand? I don't like the answer:

It's OK to get parts but don't store them in the same place as the other parts that would allow an SBR to be assembled until you get the Form 1. Before anyone points out that makes no sense and is contrary to the FAQ, I agree, that position has more holes than Swiss cheese.

What does make sense is that realistically in some cases you absolutely NEED the parts in hand in order to correctly fill out the form 1 (like overall length). Sounds like the NFA branch is willing to "overlook" short-term possession (but not assembly, of course) of the necessary parts. No, I don't like being told "Don't worry, be happy, we won't arrest you."

I was referred to one of their technical folks for my questions about possessing a mix of short and long uppers and a mix of normal and SBR lowers, as well as engraving. That will have to wait until sometime next week.

O2

Ps. On engraving: Your firearm is a title I firearm, not governed by any kind of NFA rules until it becomes a title II by approval of the Form 1. At THAT point what Ken Mason has to say matters. Until that time, it’s a plain-Jane title I firearm, and you can engrave anything your heart desires on a title 1 firearm (for example it might be a good idea to engrave your name, city and state on the receiver in case it gets lost or stolen:)). But I’m still going to chat with the technical folks about it.

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

I hadn't chatted with the NFA branch for a while, figured it'd be a good time and to find out when my stuff went pending too (mid June, looking at clearing in December).

Per specialist Janice Fields:

Shorter barrel than on the Form 1? No problem, an SBR is an SBR. A permanent change requires a form of course.

Ordering parts before you have a form 1 in hand? I don't like the answer:

It's OK to get parts but don't store them in the same place as the other parts that would allow an SBR to be assembled until you get the Form 1. Before anyone points out that makes no sense and is contrary to the FAQ, I agree, that position has more holes than Swiss cheese.

What does make sense is that realistically in some cases you absolutely NEED the parts in hand in order to correctly fill out the form 1 (like overall length). Sounds like the NFA branch is willing to "overlook" short-term possession (but not assembly, of course) of the necessary parts. No, I don't like being told "Don't worry, be happy, we won't arrest you."

I was referred to one of their technical folks for my questions about possessing a mix of short and long uppers and a mix of normal and SBR lowers, as well as engraving. That will have to wait until sometime next week.

O2

Ps. On engraving: Your firearm is a title I firearm, not governed by any kind of NFA rules until it becomes a title II by approval of the Form 1. At THAT point what Ken Mason has to say matters. Until that time, it’s a plain-Jane title I firearm, and you can engrave anything your heart desires on a title 1 firearm (for example it might be a good idea to engrave your name, city and state on the receiver in case it gets lost or stolen:)). But I’m still going to chat with the technical folks about it.

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Ditto for me replies this morning.
The engraving is not the issues with anything NFA. Assembling in to a less than 16" bbl configuration without the correct approval, is the problem.
HOWEVER as adults we hopefully possess enough of a brain that we know legal from Illegal when it comes to firearms.