Or forget to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanWolf
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Or forget to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanWolf
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Oh, don't worry. There will be a flower power bus driving them all to the polls promising free weed for there vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanWolf
It's so predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Not if there's no air in the bus tires.
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Originally Posted by JVC
nice[ROFL3]
Seems it would be hard to round up that many short yellow buses.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
It seems like we have 3 ways to "fix" the law:
(1) This court case
(2) The upcoming election, which I could see going our way due to the recalls
(3) A ballot initiative
It seems like the ballot initiative would be our last resort, and it also seems like it would be the hardest. Obviously we can't affect the outcome of number 1, but we can definitely affect 2 by voting. If it comes to 3, we'll have to be on top of it. IIRC, it was in the pipeline to come up on the ballot for this election, but it was organized poorly and it got nowhere close to the number of required signatures.
Don't under estimate them. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
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Wasn't there already a ballot initiative last year that fell on its face?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uberjager
Yes, but I seem to recall that there were 3 or 4 Marijuana legalization ballot initiatives that failed before the one for Amendment 64 made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rat
That's not too encouraging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
How is that not encouraging? There's too many in our camp that have 100% given up on the idea of an amendment via ballot initiative because the first two attempts failed to get off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uberjager
I think a lot of people are in a "wait-and-see" frame of mind vis ah vis the lawsuit and the upcoming election. If the lawsuit fails I expect we'll see a lot of people start talking about a ballot initiative (which may be one reason they're going to delay releasing the judgement until its too close to the elections for an initiative movement to get on the ballot this election).
I agree. I'd really rather not go the ballot initiative route, but the pot thing was just a constant effort until they finally got their way. Liberals are great at that.
I've got mixed feelings about the ballot initiative route ... it'll be a long row to hoe and we might not win, but if we do win we'll have strongly fortified our Federal 2A and state Article II sec 13 rights within the Colorado Constitution (which is more weight then simple legislation).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Yeah.
I thought the ship had already sailed on that for this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Well I meant the General on November 4th, not the primary election June 24th. But yeah, it would probably be too little time to get the signatures in and approved before November.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uberjager
There was a weak attempt at a ballot initiative last year. It failed as the supporters didn't get enough signatures to put it on the ballot. Leaving them at gun shops in the hopes their employees will advocate for it and obtain your needed signatures is weak. You need a dedicated group of people from all over the state to collect signatures. That does mean standing in front of places and talking to people, not leaving a clipboard on a counter and hoping people will read it.
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I didn't even hear about it last time around, until it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
What all would we want on our ballot initiative?
Obviously the mag thing...
There was a sign on Lincoln about 2 miles east of I25 that said something along the lines of "Help repeal the Mag ban" but not much else to let you know what it was for. I remember going to the website and not being able to do anything with it. Really wanted to get involved with it but the organization didn't prove to be too promising. We need to get all those recall people involved with this one. I know I would do something to help if there was something promising in the works. Doesn't the NRA have some organization skill/powers they can lend a hand with?
Anyone heard anything about the judges ruling?
Just read in an article on Fox news about hickendooper's apology backfire stating she ruled the sheriffs could not sue while in office.
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I made sure to send my votes in today. Hoping for some changes in Colorado very soon
Sheriff Joy Hoy of Eagle County refused to join the lawsuit. He was the subject of a RMGO email. He is about as Republican as Pat Sullivan was - very anti-gun. Well he lost in yesterday's primary to James van Beek. Mr. van Beek's views on 2A and the sheriff's lawsuit are unknown.
Good news! It seems the elections were promising in terms of a backlash through voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash
Judge upheld the gun laws
"DENVER — A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit aimed at overturning Colorado’s new gun laws, upholding the expansion of background checks on private gun sales and transfers and the ban on magazines of more than 15 rounds." http://kdvr.com/2014/06/26/judge-upholds-colorados-gun-laws-tosses-lawsuit/
Yep, heard about that. Did you join just to post this?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryorourke
Not surprised. The real fight is at the appellate level and above.
Mike
Damn
Hey, at least we can smoke weed and marry dudes...
“It is clear from the legislative history that the General Assembly adopted the 15-round restriction in the effort to balance the ability of individuals to lawfully use semiautomatic weapons in self-defense, while limiting the capability of unlawful shooters to fire repeatedly. It considered a more restrictive limit of 12 rounds, but rejected that at the request of citizens and law enforcement officials. Instead, it chose the 15-round limit based on evidence that officers of the numerous state and federal law enforcement agencies all successfully use magazines with 15 or fewer rounds."
That's just hilarious.
What ever floats your boat dude. .[Sarcasm2][fagpole]Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
One would think that if we respected their freedom they would respect ours but it does not seem to work that way. (either way)Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
Elections have consequences. End of Story.
Somehow it is unconstitutional to restrict those and abortion even tho none of those are guaranteed by the constitution...yet firearm rights which are guaranteed by the constitution are free game to restrict. The system is broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
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Originally Posted by Dave_L
But True....
That ATF or former ATF agent they had testifying said it. They asked what size his mags were.... he said 15 ( referring to his pistol ) I just wish the legislature had asked the follow up of " rifle or pistol" then he would have had to admit his rifle mags were 30 rounders.
Yeah, always leaving out those "little" details.Quote:
Originally Posted by clublights
Alright, after this I don't want to hear from you whiny little bitches that think Beauprez isn't perfect enough. You don't like him, don't want to vote for him, whatever just keep it to yourself.
We take this state back in November or its lost forever.
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Originally Posted by Dave_L
...and, WTF does that have to do with not being able to enforce the law, which is the main issue behind the Sheriff's filing the suit.
Not suprissed in the least. Knew this was going to happen. The Kalifornication of CO continues.