Colorado sheriffs plan lawsuit challenging state gun control laws

[The Rat]

It seems like we have 3 ways to "fix" the law:

(1) This court case

(2) The upcoming election, which I could see going our way due to the recalls

(3) A ballot initiative

It seems like the ballot initiative would be our last resort, and it also seems like it would be the hardest. Obviously we can't affect the outcome of number 1, but we can definitely affect 2 by voting. If it comes to 3, we'll have to be on top of it. IIRC, it was in the pipeline to come up on the ballot for this election, but it was organized poorly and it got nowhere close to the number of required signatures.

Wasn't there already a ballot initiative last year that fell on its face?

[Zundfolge]

Wasn't there already a ballot initiative last year that fell on its face?

Yes, but I seem to recall that there were 3 or 4 Marijuana legalization ballot initiatives that failed before the one for Amendment 64 made it.

[Uberjager]

Yes, but I seem to recall that there were 3 or 4 Marijuana legalization ballot initiatives that failed before the one for Amendment 64 made it.

That's not too encouraging.

[Zundfolge]

That's not too encouraging.

How is that not encouraging? There's too many in our camp that have 100% given up on the idea of an amendment via ballot initiative because the first two attempts failed to get off the ground.

I think a lot of people are in a "wait-and-see" frame of mind vis ah vis the lawsuit and the upcoming election. If the lawsuit fails I expect we'll see a lot of people start talking about a ballot initiative (which may be one reason they're going to delay releasing the judgement until its too close to the elections for an initiative movement to get on the ballot this election).

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I agree. I'd really rather not go the ballot initiative route, but the pot thing was just a constant effort until they finally got their way. Liberals are great at that.

[Zundfolge]

I agree. I'd really rather not go the ballot initiative route, but the pot thing was just a constant effort until they finally got their way. Liberals are great at that.

I've got mixed feelings about the ballot initiative route ... it'll be a long row to hoe and we might not win, but if we do win we'll have strongly fortified our Federal 2A and state Article II sec 13 rights within the Colorado Constitution (which is more weight then simple legislation).

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Yeah.

[Uberjager]

How is that not encouraging? There's too many in our camp that have 100% given up on the idea of an amendment via ballot initiative because the first two attempts failed to get off the ground.

I think a lot of people are in a "wait-and-see" frame of mind vis ah vis the lawsuit and the upcoming election. If the lawsuit fails I expect we'll see a lot of people start talking about a ballot initiative (which may be one reason they're going to delay releasing the judgement until its too close to the elections for an initiative movement to get on the ballot this election).

I thought the ship had already sailed on that for this election.

[Zundfolge]

I thought the ship had already sailed on that for this election.

Well I meant the General on November 4th, not the primary election June 24th. But yeah, it would probably be too little time to get the signatures in and approved before November.

[OneGuy67]

There was a weak attempt at a ballot initiative last year. It failed as the supporters didn't get enough signatures to put it on the ballot. Leaving them at gun shops in the hopes their employees will advocate for it and obtain your needed signatures is weak. You need a dedicated group of people from all over the state to collect signatures. That does mean standing in front of places and talking to people, not leaving a clipboard on a counter and hoping people will read it.

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