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Originally Posted by hurley842002
Only those who are "essential" are working right now. This is an AMAZING opportunity to ID and cut the fat off of everything. Then in the future, once truly essential departments and personnel are ID'd, they should be funded like the DOD and others are so that this doesn't happen. The rest? Well they can go away entirely (IRS and BATFE to name a few, since they aren't actually essential and represent unconstitutional "laws", along with the other obviously non-essential groups). From there, those functions can either go back to the states like they should be, or if they shouldn't exist at all and represent a mere symptom of government largesse, they go away entirely. If there's an actual need for their "services", some private business will step in and profit and it will be an entirely mutual relationship, rather than the giant government leech that currently exists.
But there's also another reality: the government shouldn't be screwing anyone over. Moreover, there shouldn't be ANY Federal agencies as they exist today outside of DOD (which IS a national function), but cooperative state efforts if such a need even exists.
If you want to stop the problem, you gotta take away the problem starter: government overreach.
It's a shame that thicker skin can be such a rare commodity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
Seriously, you and I have already been round and round before on this topic, so no need to rehash old ground. Whether government or private, each has its downsides and risks to those employed. Surviving a furlough isn't the end of the world, even if it is tough at the moment. I have great empathy for those stuck in that situation. However... the over-the-top sky-is-falling presentation of it makes those in other employment avenues very negative. I get it, that is not the fault of the govt workers, but rather the politicians and media. Sure would be nice to hear the pressure being applied to shame the politicians into doing their jobs, rather than constantly yanking my heart strings with misleading crap about how workers are "working without pay" like they were converted to indentured servitude. You are going to get your pay, along with all the benefits, just have to hold on for it.
In my mind what sucks the worst is the critical workers have to show up, while the non-crits get paid (albeit delayed pay) vacation. The manner of govt shutdown is stupid. Suspend all pay, hold up all expenditures, but if everyone is getting paid when it is over, then they need to show the f up every day. Most govt workers are in a union (shouldn't be allowed, but not the hill to die on with that) so either the union should be filing against the govt to change the law and prevent the furlough in the future, or arranging pay insurance to cover your salary during the furlough. The fact that none of that happens should make the union members seriously question what the benefits of union membership are, besides the govt pays the dues so it doesn't cost them anything (directly anyway).
Every "Career" has its ups and downs. As adults we need to hedge our bets in our favor, especially when a significant issue is highly likely to happen and does happen on an annual basis. You want to work for the government, great. Part of that "Career" is accepting the fact that there are a bunch of buffoons at the top that can get into a poo flinging contest which will result in government shutdowns. Expect the poo flinging, Expect not getting paid for a while, Expect to save for these events. If you do that then its not a dire issue when it does happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
The company I work for has forced us to burn 80 Hours of Accrued Vacation every year for the past 4 years in Company Shutdowns to reduce expenses. If you don't have enough banked vacation to cover the forced shutdown you simply don't get paid during that time. To make it even more fun, salaried employees like me that are critical to the business also get to work during those forced company shutdowns while still getting our vacation hours nuked. You hear me whining about this reality? Nope. Does it suck that my company chooses to obliterate my vacation every year and force me to basically work for free? Absolutely. But I plan for it, and budget accordingly so it doesn't impact my income or ability to pay my bills. Like I said before, adulting isn't fun or easy but its still required to get done. That reality has nothing to do with compassion.
If it were me... a credit card will cover those affected interest free for 25-30 days. Now if that card already have a balance, well... see above posts.
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Translation: the Democrats want people to hurt in order to negatively affect Trump on one of his campaign promises, and frankly don't give a damn about you, the worker.
It seems like voting to dole out a paycheck and then still being against the wall could have happened at the same time. Really makes one wonder what the true motives of each side are.
Congressional orgy gone bad.
It really shows how inept the repubs are on getting consistent messaging out. The dems keep pulling jackass moves, and yet you still don't see the rpubs singing it from the rooftops. While I understand the dems have the ally of the media, the rpubs need to try harder. Also need to get past the "quiet, professional approach" and adopt the dem methods, roll around in the mud with them and stick it to em when they deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
No wonder needed. Both sides have the same single motive. Get re-elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
It just seems like no matter what happens, we all lose. It's really a shame.