So is this "15 round" magazine actually legal?

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10-28-2013, 13:09
Zundfolge

So is this "15 round" magazine actually legal?

link to Armslist Ad.

Quote:

For Sale: Colorado LEGAL PMAG - 15/30 GEN M3, 5.56X45 30RD MAGAZINE WITH LEGAL 15RD CAPACTITY

Want to be able to keep the look and feel of a 30 round magazine but still legally operate your weapon in states that only allow a 15 round capacity? Well, now you can. We've taken the tried and true Magpul PMAG M3 and permanently modified it using Magblock technology to deliver to you a fully functional 30 round PMAG that only allows a 15 round capacity.

Features include:

- Magpul Gen M3 30 round 5.56 magazine converted to hold only 15 rounds using exclusive Magblock technology

- Magblock comes permanently attached to spring making this magazine a legal 15 round limit in states like Colorado and New Jersey

- Original lower spring attachement from 30rd PMAG included

order online at:
http://www.charliecoopers.com/co-nj-...5rd-capactity/

or contact us via email for bulk pricing and pickup options. We'll do everything we can to get you legal magazines as reasonable as we can!

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armsl...0_gen__640.jpg

Looks like it would be redily convertable back to full capacity to me ... but I'm neither an engineer nor a lawyer :p
10-28-2013, 13:12
brutal

Member here in case you didn't know.
10-28-2013, 13:13
Great-Kazoo

Yes it is. Once the floor plate is installed you are unable to remove it for access of mag block w/out damaging the mag itself.

It's easy to modify mags, to limit capacity to 15 rds and have a non removable floor plate for less.
10-28-2013, 13:22
spqrzilla

I don't think that its legal but we have little guidance from the incoherent legislation.
10-28-2013, 13:31
merl

Would depend entirely on how easy it is to remove that extended floorplate and what "readily converted" ends up meaning. I cannot tell that from the photo.

(I'm not gonna go with "cannot be removed without damage to mag body" if I have access to some simple tools but that may not be "readily converted")
10-28-2013, 14:26
kawiracer14

5280 Armory was selling these "converted magazines" with an AR purchase while I was in there on Saturday.
10-28-2013, 16:27
generalmeow

What's the point of buying this if you can't convert it back to 30rds easily?
10-28-2013, 16:30
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by generalmeow

What's the point of buying this if you can't convert it back to 30rds easily?

so you can sell a magazine with your AR. seen the Trading post ad's lately "NO MAGAZINE INCLUDED WITH SALE"
10-28-2013, 16:35
Zundfolge

Ok in the Armslist ad it just says "Magblock comes permanently attached to spring making this magazine a legal 15 round limit in states like Colorado and New Jersey" however on his web site it says "Magblock comes with floorplate permanently attached making this magazine a 15 round limit and legal in states like Colorado and New Jersey".

If the floorplate is epoxied or welded/melted to the mag body then it would clearly be legal ... and if that's the case I'd rather see them start with 20 round magazines (which I imagine they can do).
10-28-2013, 20:54
SAnd

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

... and if that's the case I'd rather see them start with 20 round magazines (which I imagine they can do).

But a 20 round mag isn't as tacticool looking as a 30 round mag. Looks are worth it to some. Even me sometimes. That's why I have a 20 round Suomi drum. Actually in my case it's because I love the silliness of a low capacity 72 round drum.
10-28-2013, 23:33
KAPA

Ummmm, Wyoming... It's not that far. Just don't buy Pmags or anything else with a date stamp on them. Don't know why they didnt stop putting dates on all their mags as soon as this law was signed by Hick. Pay cash and throw away the receipt too. Done.
10-29-2013, 07:01
Trigger

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Ummmm, Wyoming... It's not that far. Just don't buy Pmags or anything else with a date stamp on them. Don't know why they didnt stop putting dates on all their mags as soon as this law was signed by Hick. Pay cash and throw away the receipt too. Done.

Find me a LEO or DOW officer that will actually take time out of his day to check the damn date stamp of a mag that "might" be suspicious. As far as my county the SO and local Leo's could give a rats ass when the mag you use was made as long as your not shooting in town or endangering the public in some way. That particular law is so f**kin retarded. Hell half the time they don't really care if you do shoot in town as long as you have the proper equipment >< gotta love Fremont county.
10-29-2013, 08:33
KAPA

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Find me a LEO or DOW officer that will actually take time out of his day to check the damn date stamp of a mag that "might" be suspicious. As far as my county the SO and local Leo's could give a rats ass when the mag you use was made as long as your not shooting in town or endangering the public in some way. That particular law is so f**kin retarded. Hell half the time they don't really care if you do shoot in town as long as you have the proper equipment >< gotta love Fremont county.

I would say pretty much any of the Police forces around Denver have a good majority of personel that would look for something to get you on if they don't like you for some reason. That Golden Police Chief was the one of the star witnesses for the dems when this crap got passed. Denver PD enforced a 20 round limit for the last decade or two. Don't kid yourself into thinking they won't use whatever they can when they feel like they need to make an arrest of some sort.
10-29-2013, 09:45
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Find me a LEO or DOW officer that will actually take time out of his day to check the damn date stamp of a mag that "might" be suspicious.

Where you'll run into trouble is if you're running a "too new" >15 round magazine in a gun you use in a self defense shooting. The second place you might run into trouble is if the police are searching you, your vehicle or home on some other charge and they find the "contraband magazines".

Otherwise I seriously doubt anyone who is otherwise law abiding will ever be charged under the law ... of course the point of these laws is not to enforce them but instead to use them to curb commerce they don't like and to use as a bludgeon against a political enemy when its convenient.

I seriously doubt these laws stay on the books for long (but that's another discussion).
10-29-2013, 09:47
lowbeyond

a std ar mag is just a 10 rnd 458 socom mag. seems perfectly legal to me without the block
10-29-2013, 09:53
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by lowbeyond

a std ar mag is just a 10 rnd 458 socom mag. seems perfectly legal to me without the block

Apparently in Canada (where they have these silly mag capacity limits too) there has been an explosion in people buying .50 Beowulf magazines to get around the law.
10-29-2013, 12:26
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by lowbeyond

a std ar mag is just a 10 rnd 458 socom mag. seems perfectly legal to me without the block

Different follower, once you alter a mag for use other than intended you violate the law. YMMV. This was discussed in the L&P forum .
10-29-2013, 13:12
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by jim

Different follower, once you alter a mag for use other than intended you violate the law.

The Canuks are saying the .50 Beowulf follower works just fine with .223.
10-29-2013, 14:26
UrbanWolf

I think our legislators were going to specify what is acceptable to block magazines until the recall happened and they are now scared shitless. Hudak was at the state captial this weekend to rally calling more action on gun controls in CO, maybe about 10 other people attended the rally with her......

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/10/2...ws-nationwide/

Once Dickenpooper gets relected and the Dems take stable control of both state senate and house, we will have a lot more than universal background check and 15 rounds limit coming our way.
10-29-2013, 18:10
Slapps74

Good god I hope you are wrong and Dickenlooper does not get re elected.
10-29-2013, 18:14
UrbanWolf

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Originally Posted by Slapps74

Good god I hope you are wrong and Dickenlooper does not get re elected.

I hope he won't, but just in case we should know the worst.

Sen. Brophy seems to be standing up for 2A rights, I talked to him two weeks ago when he was at CSU, he think those BS laws need to be repealed or everyone is the nation will lose their 2A right soon, the Dems are trying to spread anti gun ideas from West coast, east coast, and Colorado--in the center.