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A friend of mine just called me saying he heard on the news someone was shot in the chest and died at rampart range today. I wonder if they are going to shut that place down now.
hope it was no one from the board.
sorry I dont have any of the details but just got off the phone and thought I would post it up.
Carey
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/51101667.html
heres a link to a story I found.
How many people on this site saw that one coming?
I guess you could say it was only a matter of time. That place was packed the other day when I went by on the road. Sorry for the family...
That sucks.
I've been saying for years that the forest service needs to shut that death trap down. It was only a matter of time before someone got killed there.
Reason #47 I will never go there.
It's sad that it took someone dying to open everyone's eyes.
Ugh. I'm so happy I have the in-laws place now. And private ranges to go to. This is just nuts.
Really sad and tragic.
I guarantee there were two gun rules violated to result in this.
Muzzle not controlled and booger picker on the bang lever...
I feel very sorry for the family of the victim.
On a side note, how many of you carry GSW first aid kits with you when you go to the range and know what to do and how to use the materials in the kit? I'm fortunate and received this training in the military and was allowed to keep my kit when I retired. It goes with me to the range every time.
Wow, that's scary, we were talking about going to Rampart today last night. In response to ^^, I always have what I call a "level two" first aid kit when I'm at the range, which would be sufficient to deliver first aid to a gunshot wound until paramedics arrived, but I don't think many people take one with them. Prayers to the family.
Well that stinks..Condolences to the family of the victim. Whenever I go its usually very early in the morning before the stupid people show up. Guess I am going to have to find another range. Any one know of any in the springs area? Private is ok so long as its not overly expensive.
one of the reasons I don't show people my shooting place (so it's still clean and safe)...
Hate to hear about this kind of thing happening.
SAD all the way round.
sad story.
I doubt it will be shut down because of it.
I kinda think they have been looking for a reason to shut it down, and this just might do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Don't flame me because someone got killed because of not following rules of safe firearm handling.
Its not tragic, it was a stupid mistake. No I don't know the facts. But a round was fired and hit a person. So A dumb shit pulled the trigger on a firearm while it was pointed at a vital spot.
Until stupid people stop pointing weapons at others while doing stuff, others will die.
I get really pissed off if others point weapons at me. Dead guys don't get to complain about breaking the rules of firearm safety.
No the family does not get a free pass. They should get a safety course on handling firearms.
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Originally Posted by dbeal
Pistol,Shotgun, & Rifle out to about 220yds
It seems a lot of people on here don't care for Dragon Man's although I forget why. 've never been there so I'm not judging.Quote:
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Not sad - STUPID and bad for the majority of safe gun owners.
Ben Lomand Gun Club isn't that far from CO Springs and is pretty cheap and there is no waiting list right now (not for long at the rate we are getting members).Quote:
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PM me if you want the info.
I'm sorry to hear about htis, it was a huge shock. I know that they closed down part of the Grasslands up north here due to an incident where a bullet came too close to comfort to a house. This kind of stupid crap has to stop. [Bang]
Honestly, I think it should be shut down. We did that cleanup back in early May. What a shit hole that place was. We spent 4-5 hours cleaning it up, did a bad ass job...2 weeks later it was worse than before...
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You know, They should have been charging people to use the range from the get go. Just that right there would weed the morons out, even if there were no range officer.
I went there ONE time, when I first moved here to check it out, and I got the hell out after 30 seconds of what I saw. I was genuinly afraid for my life, and it turns out my fears were correct. I won't even drive PAST the range, for fear that someone could be shooting in the wrong direction.
The problem with making it a pay range is people will just drive a couple more miles up the road and shoot in the forrest. At least the range keeps the morons all in the same place where you can avoid them.
Can you imagine how many more accidental shootings would occur if these hundreds of people per day were just out shooting in the forrest? No backstop, no checking for what's down range. Just blasting their hanguns sideways gangster style and bumpfiring their SKS's.
I have no problems with a supervised range. But start charging money and people won't go to the range. This creates a scarey situation in the woods. No more hiking or biking. No nature walks. I'd be afraid every time I went outside in Teller County.
Now if it is a 1st class facility, where people see what their money gets them, they are more likely to use the facilities and pay... at least in my opinion.
Ever been to Dallas? I've been to and attend Elm Fork (Run by city of Dallas)
http://www.elmfork.com/facilities.html
The city has a firearms range that is an excellent example of how to do it right. Recently renoved since 2004. It looks like a golf course with the club house, golf carts, indoor cafe/grill. They hold national and international events for Skeet, Trap, Clays, 5 Stand, Rifle and Pistol. They have rifle ranges out to 300 yards even although the web site says the100 yard range is not open, it hasn't been updated! Online doesn't even do it justice.
If the city would start something like this we could be a shooting destination from Denver and surrounding states and get more revenue and local sales for our area.
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Originally Posted by Colorado Osprey
By doing something like would make people think that Denver was Pro-Gun, and we can't have that now. [Bang]
Is this the first death up there or has it happened before?
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. Like many of you, I have stories to tell from shooting up there. Firearms are only as unsafe as the people handling them. I reckon something like this would have happened to those folks eventually no matter where they did their shooting.
Personally I think it would be silly to close the range. We don't close down a street after someone dies in a car crash. People have been shooting there for decades. One death in all that time is an accident, not a statistic.
As Colorado Osprey pointed out, lowlifes would just drive further up the road and shoot into the trees.
best to keep a basket open for the rotten eggs to shoot.
Those not willing to pay to go to a quality and safe range are those not willing to pay to learn how to shoot safely and accurately.
Rampart range is a nice place for the "not willing to pay" idiots to go. Keeps them from showing up at my range.
How can some of you say this is not sad??!!! It is incredibly sad! A kid got killed! Or isn't that sad enough for you?!
WTF is wrong with you?! If it was your kid I bet you'd be crying! I know I would be and I'd be after the asshole that shot him. Natural consequences, you know. And it's also sad because it is one more place we lose to shoot, even if it was a bad place. Never been there myself, however we go rockhounding for the topaz and amazonite in the area.
And it's also sad because this is just another feather in the cap of the anti-gun folks.
Fuqing sad all the way around. I really feel for the family. Of both.
Maybe I read the posts wrong, but I don't see how.
Thanks Ridge and the others that helped clean up!
Whenever I went, I left at about 8-9am.
Protip: unsafe idiots tend to sleep in on the weekends. It was just me and a couple crotchety old men zeroing in their rifles.
Terrible thing for the person who got shot. Owning a gun and not learning the safety rules is even dumber than buying a chainsaw and playing with it on full power.
That really sucks that someone got killed by another idiot. It's the worry I have any time I go to a un-managed range area. That is what makes me show up early and leave early.
I agree though that keeping it open is best, it gives those folks a place to shoot in a specific location.
People will find another place to go and at least here they are not shooting over anyones homes or a hwy.
People also get killed at indoor ranges, or outdoor ranges with an officer. Stupid people will not stop shooting, no matter what is closed down, so why would you want this place to shut down? it is another place people can enjoy shooting. it is one accident out of how many years?
everyone says don't punish gun owners for criminals mistakes, so why are you wanting to punish shooters for a mistake?
I feel bad for the family and for the guy it happened to, but closing the place isn't the answer IMO.
Its a big "problem of the commons" question. The place is maintained and owned by the government, acting (supposedly) as an agent of everyone. An owner (rightfully) takes some concern with the goings-on of his property, even (or especially) those open to the public.
If the forest was owned by a private organization, no biggie - what the owner says, goes, and everyone who contributes to that organization is free to leave it if they don't like it.
Problem with govt-owned land is that we are forced to contribute, whether we like it or not - so now you have two constituencies, each being forced to pay into the common pot that maintains (or bought in the first place) the land/govt dept that oversees the land. One says "Close it down!" the other says "Keep it open!" And no matter what the govt does in this case they have wronged one or the other set of people - because, unlike with private organizations, you can't just say "fuck it" and stop paying whatever portion of your taxes go to the forest service.
I am all for keeping it open, but I also recognize that the forest service (or whoever maintains the area) is in a bad situation. Its one of the no-win situations that govt is very good at making.
I never even knew there was a range up there but it sounds a lot like shooting in the canyons in Southern California which were just a mess both in terms of gun safety and just tons of trash. I went a second time but just had to say no after that.
Rampart also has a rep as far as us quad riders go, I've known several who have been injured up there, I'll stick to the dunes. Saw my therapist today he knew both the guys involved, the two of them were long time friends, the guy who got shot was married, just sad. My condolences to both family's
I could never do BLGC, since I'm primarily a full auto shooter. But I stopped going to rampart solo since I don't want to share a range with gangstas when i've got 30k in transferrables in my car.Quote:
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I think the 30k's should be able to fend off those in the hills :)
Kidding of course. The only time i went up there I bought some of my better toys to play with. There was probably 20 or so people there and it was a nightmare. Right side of the range called a cold range while the left side continued shooting. That was bad enough, but got worse when some douche on the left side shooting a Rugger 22LR started shooting across the ranges at something he wanted to try and hit on the right side. He said he did not know that people were walking out there to set up targets.
After I chewed his ass out, I packed up and left and have not been back since.
I think it should remain open and if need be, more visits by the forest service to keep some sense of control out there.
There are a number of uncontrolled intersections in Colo. Springs where there have been traffic deaths. Negligence again. That does not mean that we shut down the street.
I agree the range can be dangerous. I usually go early in the morning and on week days when I can to avoid the crowd.
Well, I got notice this morning that the DNR has shut down the range and will be blocking it off with barbed wire and concrete. They're not sure for how long.
Never been to Rampart.
Tragic to see this happen to a young man.
And the range is getting closed...