Gun Bill Day in the Colorado House Committee is March 7

On March 7, the House State, Veterans and Military Affairs committee is scheduled to hear all the pro-gun bills pending in the House. They are listed below. Last year this was the committee that killed all the pro-gun bills. The same thing may happen again this year. While the make up of the committee has changed a little from last year, it is still majority Democratic. If you have the time and wish to testify please feel free to show up.

1:30 p.m.
Room 271 State, Veterans, and Military Affairs
HB16-1179 Buck--Concealed Carry For Military Personnel
HB16-1023 Everett--Deadly Force Against An Intruder At A Business
HB16-1024 Saine and Humphrey--Repeal Ammo Magazine Prohibition
HB16-1204 Neville P.--Allow Concealed Carry On Public School Grounds

Please let these pass and restore some of my faith in this state...

CCW for military would be nice, though proof of military service does satisfy state CCW training requirements.

Deadly force would probably get veto'd by the governor. So would the magazine ban repeal. Likely CCW on public school grounds too.

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Originally Posted by Doolsmack_Bud

CCW for military would be nice, though proof of military service does satisfy state CCW training requirements.

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Yeah, completely useless bill. I don't see the point? But that MAY pass just so they can say they are not anti gun in this state (even though nothing will change from how it is now?) And whats the point when you can't carry, or even have a firearm in your vehicle when you have to go on base every day?

Little hope anything else will pass.

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Hate to be a negative nancy but governor bloomberg/john hoehandle will most liekly veto those if any make it to the desk.

It worked for weed, well sort of.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

"Allow Concealed Carry On Public School Grounds"

Side note (While I haven't read the bill): Federal law prohibits firearms on K-12 schools. Those places that license teachers are exploiting a loophole in considering them to be armed security guards. That loophole doesn't work for the general public... so a CO bill is unlikely to have any effect there even if it passed.

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Another case of Federal overreach.

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Originally Posted by mtnrider

Yeah, completely useless bill. I don't see the point?

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The point is to make dems defeat pro gun bills every chance we can. This puts them on record, keeps the issue alive and who knows, we might just slip one by.

If Republicans just wait until they're in charge to push these bills they reduce the chance that they'll ever be in charge because they'll be seen as "do nothings" by the people.

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Originally Posted by DavieD55

Hate to be a negative nancy but governor bloomberg/john hoehandle will most liekly veto those if any make it to the desk.

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Nothing negative about it. Every time dick-in-pooper vetoes pro gun legislation it pisses people off a little more (both at him and his party).

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

"Allow Concealed Carry On Public School Grounds"

Side note (While I haven't read the bill): Federal law prohibits firearms on K-12 schools. Those places that license teachers are exploiting a loophole in considering them to be armed security guards. That loophole doesn't work for the general public... so a CO bill is unlikely to have any effect there even if it passed.

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No Federal law does not prohibit firearms at K through 12 schools. Why would you say something that is so obviously false, and imply that the bill is stupid or a ploy? If the bill were enacted, however slim that might be, people with a CCW type permit could carry at schools, and not violate any laws, state or Federal. Until the shall issue law was enacted in 2003, the Colorado concealed carry permit worked at k-12 schools. The K-12 school limitation in current law was added mostly because then Gov Bill Owens insisted on it as a condition of his support of the shall issue bill.

18 USC 922(q) says, in relevant part: (2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm— (i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii)if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is— (I)not loaded; and

(II)in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;


(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.



As you can see, subsection (ii) allows state law to allow people with a CCW to possess firearms on school grounds, and not violate 18 USC 922(q).

Tag for results. I'm not sure if a feed of these will be streaming but I don't think I can bear to watch.

The stress caused by the 2013 bullshit probably took a year off my life.

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Originally Posted by mahabali

The stress caused by the 2013 bullshit probably took a year off my life.

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Ya this.

I sure wish these could gain some traction. HB16-1024 is tops on my list. I hate having my gun purchasing decisions based on what mags I can legally buy.

Maybe if they can some way make it to the desk of Gov. dickenpopper he just might sign off on them now that he is getting some ass !!! [bad-banana]

Yes I have been drinking.

Contact info for the committee:

RAY SCOTT 303-866-3077 ray.scott.senate@state.co.us

JERRY SONNENBERG 303-866-6360 senatorsonnenberg@gmail.com

OWEN HILL 303-866-2737 owen.hill.senate@state.co.us

MATT JONES 303-866-5291 senatormattjones@gmail.com

JESSIE ULIBARRI 303-866-4857 jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us

Emails extracted for cut and paste:

ray.scott.senate@state.co.us; senatorsonnenberg@gmail.com; owen.hill.senate@state.co.us; senatormattjones@gmail.com; jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us

FWIW, sent to the committee:

Subj: Please vote FOR HB 16-1024

The restriction of magazine capacity amounts to nothing more than rationing self-defense.

Merely looking at the hit ratio of trained police officers involved in shootings will show you that a less-trained woman faced with multiple attackers has been put at a severe disadvantage by the magazine restriction law.

Allow the law abiding the means to defend themselves using the best means possible, please repeal the magazine restriction law.

If you believe a law restricting magazine capacity will stop mass shooters, realize that they’re already ignoring the laws against murder. Magazine restrictions will do nothing to stop someone like that; in fact it would PROTECT them from law-abiding people that would otherwise be able to stop them.

A magazine restriction law only penalizes the law-abiding and puts them at a disadvantage.

Please take this opportunity to support the right to self-defense and vote FOR HP 16-1024.

Don’t ration self-defense. Vote YES on HB 16-1024.

My name
My phone number
My email

I learned everything I need to know about the political effectiveness of phone calls and letter writing in 2013.

Several acres of rainforest were leveled to create the amount of paper I used to write elected officials in '13 and it did diddly squat.

email doesn't use paper

Any one have any info on how things turned out???

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Originally Posted by newracer

email doesn't use paper

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-no, and it's far easier for an administrative assistant to delete an email than it is to cart off thousands of paper envelopes like I and others sent in '13 in an attempt to effect change. I sent my share of emails as well, in addition to encouraging others to call, write, and email.

Looks lile they all got killed, bunch of bull shit.

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Originally Posted by beast556

Looks lile they all got killed, bunch of bull shit.

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"Shocker" [Shake]

Good news though, The house ok'ed the bill on transgender birth certificates.

I am soo done with this state. Can't wait to get out of here.

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As others have noted, yesterday, after a long hearing all 5 gun bills were killed on a party line vote. The mag ban repeal is still alive in the Senate, but of course even if it passes there would still have to get through the House. And a different version of the military carry bill, SB 16-144 was introduced on March 4 by Sen Cooke, so it will get a second chance. His bill is different in that instead of exempting active duty military from the permit requirement, would lower the age for applying for a concealed carry permit to 18 for active duty or honorably discharged military.

As others have noted, the battle for these issues is really won (or lost) in November, when these folks stand for election, not in the committee hearing after the Colorado legislature has already taken shape. The only way any of these bills stand a chance is if there is a Republican majority in both houses of the legislature. A few Democratic members of the House may be faintly pro-gun, but the Democratic leadership will never allow any pro-gun bill to come to the floor for a vote so long as they control the body.

Gee, look what the "pro-gun" liberal scum have wrought.

Well, Dudley wanted all or nothing and got... Nothing.

Thank you Bloom..., er. I mean Brown. Sorry, sometimes I get them confused.

Incrementalism is a winning strategy. That's why the other side that employs it is winning and those on our side that refuse to use it are losing. Double whammy.

O2

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Originally Posted by JamesB

As others have noted, the battle for these issues is really won (or lost) in November, when these folks stand for election, not in the committee hearing after the Colorado legislature has already taken shape. The only way any of these bills stand a chance is if there is a Republican majority in both houses of the legislature. A few Democratic members of the House may be faintly pro-gun, but the Democratic leadership will never allow any pro-gun bill to come to the floor for a vote so long as they control the body.

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This is the blinding obvious, but I offer that too many of the average voters are just plain dumb and have short memories. Come October-November the whole discussion of gun-control and limitations on our 2A rights will be overshadowed by discussions on abortion and the economy. Both of the later are important, but any half-competent person elected to a position can bumble their way through a legislative session and come to some logical and legal conclusion on both those issues. Pro-gun issues need to be shepherded by people that not just empathize with gun owners, but are gun-owners themselves. This needs to be an issue on the campaign trail, and not just a secondary or afterthought.

I knew this state was lost when Hick got re-elected. He made a mockery of the population during the gun debates, used Dunlap as leverage and yet we still put him back in.

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I knew this state was lost when Hick got re-elected. He made a mockery of the population during the gun debates, used Dunlap as leverage and yet we still put him back in.

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While I agree the battle win/lose is in November, I agree with you Dave, this state is lost. In fact, I'd go a step further and say it's only a matter of time before most states are lost. I'll continue to do what I can to further the Pro2a "movement", but I'm not optimistic. I won't be in this state too many more years if I can help it, fortunately I'm very mobile these days.

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I knew this state was lost when Hick got re-elected. He made a mockery of the population during the gun debates, used Dunlap as leverage and yet we still put him back in.

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I still contend that the state was lost when 64 passed. We've had over 100,000 people move to Colorado in the last year. I guarantee you that most of them are coming here to smoke weed and vote D.

This was my argument against the libertarian folk here that voted for 64. I was all for pot legalization in principle (because I don't think the government should stop stupid people from doing stupid stuff) but I didn't want CO to go first and become a magnet for pot addled Bernie Sanders supporters.


November isn't going to be when Colorado is saved or lost. November is going to tell us if Colorado is already lost or if it can be saved.

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Well, Dudley wanted all or nothing and got... Nothing.

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Actually, I think RMGO got exactly what they wanted. Imagine if every gun law that passed in 2013 had been overturned yesterday. With no boogeyman, there's no fundraising.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

Actually, I think RMGO got exactly what they wanted. Imagine if every gun law that passed in 2013 had been overturned yesterday. With no boogeyman, there's no fundraising.

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ding ding ding

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Actually, I think RMGO got exactly what they wanted. Imagine if every gun law that passed in 2013 had been overturned yesterday. With no boogeyman, there's no fundraising.

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ding ding ding

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and............we have a winner

And you really expected something else in Calirado???

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Originally Posted by JamesB

As others have noted, yesterday, after a long hearing all 5 gun bills were killed on a party line vote. The mag ban repeal is still alive in the Senate, but of course even if it passes there would still have to get through the House. And a different version of the military carry bill, SB 16-144 was introduced on March 4 by Sen Cooke, so it will get a second chance. His bill is different in that instead of exempting active duty military from the permit requirement, would lower the age for applying for a concealed carry permit to 18 for active duty or honorably discharged military.

As others have noted, the battle for these issues is really won (or lost) in November, when these folks stand for election, not in the committee hearing after the Colorado legislature has already taken shape. The only way any of these bills stand a chance is if there is a Republican majority in both houses of the legislature. A few Democratic members of the House may be faintly pro-gun, but the Democratic leadership will never allow any pro-gun bill to come to the floor for a vote so long as they control the body.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

And you really expected something else in Calirado???

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Nope.