I was wrong. Screw that guy, he is not helping and his bitterness will lead to Clinton winning. I was hoping he would get on board but I think his political future just got hit by a train.
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I was wrong. Screw that guy, he is not helping and his bitterness will lead to Clinton winning. I was hoping he would get on board but I think his political future just got hit by a train.
My only info of the RNC is what I read on here. So what has he done?
Yep, lost respect from me and most of his fellow Texans on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
What did he do?
Turned into or at least revealed himself as a poor loser. Some may argue a bitter prick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I think he was trying to set himself up for a future run but he helped Hillary tonight more than Trump tonight. If he was not going to endorse, especially after the arena literally yelled at him telling him to do so, he should have stayed home.
Sorry, this probably should have gone in the RNC thread.
Same here. I had "the news" on earlier for a little while and some people are really pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-goldman-sachs
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Chris Christie did not mince words for Ted Cruz after the Texas senator refused to endorse Donald Trump on the prime-time convention stage Wednesday night.
“It was an awful, selfish speech by someone who tonight, through the words he said on that stage, showed everybody why he has richly earned the reputation that he has on Capitol Hill,” Christie said to reporters on the floor of the convention.
The New Jersey governor put a formal voice to the many delegates who greeted Cruz’s failure to endorse Trump in his 23-minute speech with widespread boos.
“If you love our country and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience,” Cruz said. “Vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”
Christie mocked that rhetorical flourish. “I don’t understand how someone can present themselves as a person of integrity and then come into this room tonight and give that cute speech,” he said. “And that was cute.”
Well, it seems that what Cruz said was not incorrect. It's difficult to stand behind Donald Trump, party unity or not.
Cruz failed to live up to his pledge to endorse the candidate. Imagine that. A politician lying and not doing what he said he would.
It all comes down to a giant douche or a turd sandwich. I'd rather the turd at least be supported by his like minded droppings than to have a rouge dump think a nasty discharge is the way to go.
If Cruz pledged to endorse, than he should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
I hear what you're saying, but can we really say that Cruz and Trump are like minded?Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Nonsense, Cruz came out and urged people to vote their conscience and for people who would defend their freedoms- and the party leaders and trump camp got him booed for it. Heaven forbid people break away from this GOP failure cult and actually vote for what they believe in and not the least awful of their choices they're presented! Don't you think that if the party is booing him for a call to vote your conscience they're somewhat admitting that a vote for them could violate a persons conscience? The GOP is done and they're just broadcasting it louder every day.
I'll say this about voting one's conscience:
As one prepares to do so, realize that there are just 2 viable candidates who legitimately have a chance of winning this election, Hillary or Trump. There is no 3rd party candidate with any chance of winning. Period.
Now, recognize that whoever wins the general election and becmes our next POTUS will be choosing at least one, likely two, and possibly even 3 Supreme Court Justices. We know this would not go well for America if Hillary gets into office. We can assume it will be better if it's Trump.
Now, what does your conscience say about the choice in front of you? Sometimes one needs to consider all the ramifications of choices.
Just one more reason the R's are done as a political party
It's not an issue of what he said, although he did sign the pledge, it's an issue of WHERE he said it. The convention's main goal is unity and he attempted to sabotage that. I do see the chance it could actually help Trump by making Cruz look like a petty loser, a lot of his supporters are not happy with him.
Let us know how your conscience likes President Hillary Clinton.
This. The reality of the way that our political system works is that you have a choice of one of two candidates. All this moral objection and conscience crap is going to put Hillary into the white house. Every Bernie supporter I see keeps saying they hate Hillary so much, but when asked if they will vote for her their response is always "100% I will". I don't give a damn if a rock is running for president, I'd vote for that rock a million times over if it means that treasonous Hillary wouldn't be president.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Americans have always had an issue with thinking long term.
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Originally Posted by Irving
I'm starting to understand this comment;
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“If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, no one would convict you.” — Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chris Christie sums it up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYIs_UTUd0Q
I think Cruz pretty much ended his Republican career last night !
Right there with you. FWIW, none of the women in my life liked him, and they could not tell me why. Guess they were right after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
I was just in Philadelphia and they had a road to the whitehouse exhibit at the constitution center.
while looking around I had never even really heard about who the losing candidates let alone 3rd party candidates that got a relatively large percentage of the vote. But what you do remember and what really matters is who was elected and that person has 4 years (typically) to be CIC.
So for those wanting to vote your conscience, just remember that it won't matter and you are realistically helping Hillary. We can only hope we have people smart enough to realize this, plug their nose when they vote trump and hope the other side is stupid enough to vote for a third party helping surge trump to victory.
The one thing Democrats seem to understand better than all the other groups is how to split and divide as a tactic to retain power. Cruz hurt the things he claims to love...Truth and the Rule of Law (Constitution) yesterday. The polls say HRC is in the lead and that the House and Senate are leaning Republican. The writing is on the wall and it is terrifying. I am absolutely sick of party politics and I am confidant that the founding fathers would not have been pleased at all with the political landscape, nor where America sits today.
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If you love our country and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience. Vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.
I don't see the issue. He was clearly telling people to vote for Gary Johnson.
Then your history is fuzzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
All the Dems are saying a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Trump. All the Trump people are saying a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. Utter nonsense. While I have no belief that Johnson will will the election, I do believe if we can get him above the 15% mark there is a chance in 4 years. If I vote for either Hillary or Donald it will be the exact same, if not worse, 4 years from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Guess his dad's prophesying and general evangelical fundie prot schtick isn't holding up to reality (because it's not in conformity with said reality). The man comes from a nut tree and didn't fall far from the thing...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-messiah.html
Aside from the blatantly unscriptural aspects of Cruz's beliefs, which I assume he shares with his father (who is most definitely a nut), his views are REALLY EFFING DANGEROUS for anyone who would have power over the US military, etc. The last thing I want is someone who is basically gonna be the Focus on the Family version of Ahmadinejad or similar, thinking they definitely have a role in the End Times and they should start pushing buttons and whatever else of which they find themselves convinced.
Well yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
There isn't one election for president, there's 51.
For those of us that live in Colorado, this is a 50/50 state so it's vitally important that we come together here behind Trump and defeat Hillary.
But for those in states like California or Massachusetts where there will never be enough Republican votes to win the state, you might as well lodge a "protest vote" for some third party loser or write in Alfred E Newman or not vote at all (just make sure you vote in all the down ballot races) ... just realize that nobody in the two major parties will pay attention or give a shit so your "protest" will go unheard, but if it makes you feel better than go for it.
This is foolishness. The republic and the constitution will survive Donald. If he's elected it'll not likely "save America" (let alone make it great again), but it will give us time to regroup and come back stronger. But if Hillary wins, there will be no more solutions left "within the system" because the system will become completely and utterly corrupted and the Constitution dead the instant she replaces Scalia (she's already said that Citizens United and Heller are going to be dragged back and reversed, and there goes the 1st and 2nd Amendments, gone forever). At that point the only course of action left to us will be violent revolution. Period. And that's an option we will lose because its going to take a hell of a lot more than III% to win this time and we barely have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
Lots of assumptions there, and you know the old saying about assumptions.....Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
For example, the assumption there will be an election in 4 years if that evil bitch is in - lots of ways that can fail to materialize, especially considering the blatant and unhidden treason we're witnessing right out in the open now, heavy pushes to disarm the population, and the current treasonous piece of shit has already suggested suspending presidential elections or removing presidential term limits, on more than one occasion (but even he realizes they dont have the power to pull that off....yet....)
If GJ wants even a rat's chance in hell for either the country or himself, he should not run and should publicly declare support for Trump now as our last hope, which would at least give us some small chance of recovery, and would demonstrate that he cares more about country than himself - giving him a REAL chance in 4 years....if not and he keeps pushing to split the vote (we know know that will end), then he can choke on a dick, as he will have demonstrated that he's just as big a piece of shit as Lyin' Ted and Crackhead Kasich....
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You may want to brush up on your fuzzy history - 1992 specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
I felt the same then, as you seem to now, and I voted for Ross Perot. He ended up above your mark of 15% of the popular vote, and thus began the Clinton years.
The third party "conscience" gave the election to the Democrats in 1992, and it will repeat the same now.
Perhaps one day we will have a viable third party to vote for. Perhaps if Trump wins this year, the GOP elites will take their ball and branch off a third party for the next election. However, this election is only between the two parties, and it is the most important election in decades.
If you do not want Hillary to win, the only vote that will help is a vote for Trump.
The Republic, in some horrible disfigured form, will survive either. Whether its time to press the big red Jefferson button now vs. later (vs. ever) is beside the point. What is more telling is that you (and others) actually see a difference between Hillary (Dems in general) and Donald (Right in general) - there isn't. Both want to control you via some twisted morality play, and neither want you to have actual freedom. Look I don't want anyone in my wallet or my bedroom, or my body and anymore there is only one party that supports that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Apparently Trumpets think that "vote your conscience" is a dig at Donald. So....voting for him is voting against your conscience eh?
And imagine that, attacking a man's wife for her looks, attacking his father claiming he was involved in an assassination, and by the way declaring the pledge null and void oneself....yeah, that should TOTALLY be ignored, right?
(Oh, and by the way, Trump said he saw the speech beforehand and had no problem with it.)
As stated earlier, it was not what he said, but what he failed to say, and where he was saying it that mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
Trump did see the speech, and then let Ted have all the rope he wanted. Another well played move I'd say.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/0...ile-puppy-dog/
"What does it say when you stand up and say 'Vote your conscience' and rabid supporters of our nominee begin screaming 'What a horrible thing to say!' If we can't make the case to the American people that voting for our party's nominee is consistent with voting your conscience, is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the Constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. THAT's how you win elections."
"I will tell you when I stood on that debate stage...I raised my hand...with full intention of [supporting the nominee.] I'll tell you the day that pledge was abrogated...the day this became personal...I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father. And that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack Heidi that I'm nonetheless going to come like a servile puppy dog and say 'Thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father.'"
Yep, Cruz is a whiny little bitch who does not know when to just shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
Kinda fun to watch him twitch though.
Ross Perot dropped out of the election prior to the vote (yes he 'rejoined' 15 days before the election under major legal threats from his supporters, but the die was cast at that point and he knew it). Beyond that Ross ran as part of the 'Independent' non-party, making any votes for him essentially null and void when it came to allowing future persons to have access to federal campaign funds. He was only on the ballots because of the draft votes earlier in the year. Ross Perot gave us Clinton - Just like Donald Trump will give us another Clinton. Its the same play over again, just with a slightly different plot twist.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Every 4 years its the "the most important election in decades". Its bullshit. Voting between a Douche vs. Turd Sandwich will always get you something that you don't want to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Hillary is going to win no matter what. You might as well brace for it and prep for the next election.
I believe the main issue is the ambiguity of the statement, and the fact that only a relatively small amount of dillution would be required to hand the election to satan's bride....Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
"Voting your conscience" can just mean too many things to too many people, and there's no friggin way that fact is lost on these douchebags....e.g. -dont like rude new-yorkers, vote someone else....upset because he said something mean or hurt someones feelers, vote someone else, etc., etc., ad-infinitum....
too many people are too damn thin skinned and get offended over the most trivial things, and completely loose sight of what's actually important, and I see it happen all the time in pretty much every situation and setting...some will express that offence, some will hide it, but the fact remains that in many cases people don't realize that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, all because they got hurt feelers or didn't like HOW something was said so they completely loose the actual message behind the words....
Some of the most effective generals, leaders, businessmen, etc. in history have been rude, crude, batshit insane, etc., but that doesn't change the fact that they genuinely cared for the outcomes and adhered to core principles (and people are allowed to change their minds over time, and its not always cause for suspicion), got the job done and didn't give two shits about winning a popularity contest and being crowned prom king......
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While the Republic will survive up to 8 years of Hillary, can it survive the 30-40 years of up to 5 SCOTUS picks by Hillary?Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo