I was a Cruz guy from the beginning...

[DireWolf]

While I have no belief that Johnson will will the election, I do believe if we can get him above the 15% mark there is a chance in 4 years. If I vote for either Hillary or Donald it will be the exact same, if not worse, 4 years from now.

Lots of assumptions there, and you know the old saying about assumptions.....

For example, the assumption there will be an election in 4 years if that evil bitch is in - lots of ways that can fail to materialize, especially considering the blatant and unhidden treason we're witnessing right out in the open now, heavy pushes to disarm the population, and the current treasonous piece of shit has already suggested suspending presidential elections or removing presidential term limits, on more than one occasion (but even he realizes they dont have the power to pull that off....yet....)

If GJ wants even a rat's chance in hell for either the country or himself, he should not run and should publicly declare support for Trump now as our last hope, which would at least give us some small chance of recovery, and would demonstrate that he cares more about country than himself - giving him a REAL chance in 4 years....if not and he keeps pushing to split the vote (we know know that will end), then he can choke on a dick, as he will have demonstrated that he's just as big a piece of shit as Lyin' Ted and Crackhead Kasich....

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[davsel]

Then your history is fuzzy.

All the Dems are saying a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Trump. All the Trump people are saying a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. Utter nonsense. While I have no belief that Johnson will will the election, I do believe if we can get him above the 15% mark there is a chance in 4 years. If I vote for either Hillary or Donald it will be the exact same, if not worse, 4 years from now.

You may want to brush up on your fuzzy history - 1992 specifically.
I felt the same then, as you seem to now, and I voted for Ross Perot. He ended up above your mark of 15% of the popular vote, and thus began the Clinton years.
The third party "conscience" gave the election to the Democrats in 1992, and it will repeat the same now.

Perhaps one day we will have a viable third party to vote for. Perhaps if Trump wins this year, the GOP elites will take their ball and branch off a third party for the next election. However, this election is only between the two parties, and it is the most important election in decades.
If you do not want Hillary to win, the only vote that will help is a vote for Trump.

[asmo]

This is foolishness. The republic and the constitution will survive Donald. If he's elected it'll not likely "save America" (let alone make it great again), but it will give us time to regroup and come back stronger. But if Hillary wins, there will be no more solutions left "within the system" because the system will become completely and utterly corrupted and the Constitution dead the instant she replaces Scalia (she's already said that Citizens United and Heller are going to be dragged back and reversed, and there goes the 1st and 2nd Amendments, gone forever). At that point the only course of action left to us will be violent revolution. Period. And that's an option we will lose because its going to take a hell of a lot more than III% to win this time and we barely have that.

The Republic, in some horrible disfigured form, will survive either. Whether its time to press the big red Jefferson button now vs. later (vs. ever) is beside the point. What is more telling is that you (and others) actually see a difference between Hillary (Dems in general) and Donald (Right in general) - there isn't. Both want to control you via some twisted morality play, and neither want you to have actual freedom. Look I don't want anyone in my wallet or my bedroom, or my body and anymore there is only one party that supports that.

[RblDiver]

Apparently Trumpets think that "vote your conscience" is a dig at Donald. So....voting for him is voting against your conscience eh?

And imagine that, attacking a man's wife for her looks, attacking his father claiming he was involved in an assassination, and by the way declaring the pledge null and void oneself....yeah, that should TOTALLY be ignored, right?

(Oh, and by the way, Trump said he saw the speech beforehand and had no problem with it.)

[davsel]

Apparently Trumpets think that "vote your conscience" is a dig at Donald. So....voting for him is voting against your conscience eh?

And imagine that, attacking a man's wife for her looks, attacking his father claiming he was involved in an assassination, and by the way declaring the pledge null and void oneself....yeah, that should TOTALLY be ignored, right?

(Oh, and by the way, Trump said he saw the speech beforehand and had no problem with it.)

As stated earlier, it was not what he said, but what he failed to say, and where he was saying it that mattered.
Trump did see the speech, and then let Ted have all the rope he wanted. Another well played move I'd say.

[RblDiver]

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/0...ile-puppy-dog/

"What does it say when you stand up and say 'Vote your conscience' and rabid supporters of our nominee begin screaming 'What a horrible thing to say!' If we can't make the case to the American people that voting for our party's nominee is consistent with voting your conscience, is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the Constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. THAT's how you win elections."

"I will tell you when I stood on that debate stage...I raised my hand...with full intention of [supporting the nominee.] I'll tell you the day that pledge was abrogated...the day this became personal...I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father. And that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack Heidi that I'm nonetheless going to come like a servile puppy dog and say 'Thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father.'"

[davsel]

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/0...ile-puppy-dog/

"What does it say when you stand up and say 'Vote your conscience' and rabid supporters of our nominee begin screaming 'What a horrible thing to say!' If we can't make the case to the American people that voting for our party's nominee is consistent with voting your conscience, is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the Constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. THAT's how you win elections."

"I will tell you when I stood on that debate stage...I raised my hand...with full intention of [supporting the nominee.] I'll tell you the day that pledge was abrogated...the day this became personal...I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father. And that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack Heidi that I'm nonetheless going to come like a servile puppy dog and say 'Thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father.'"

Yep, Cruz is a whiny little bitch who does not know when to just shut up.
Kinda fun to watch him twitch though.

[asmo]

You may want to brush up on your fuzzy history - 1992 specifically.
I felt the same then, as you seem to now, and I voted for Ross Perot. He ended up above your mark of 15% of the popular vote, and thus began the Clinton years.
The third party "conscience" gave the election to the Democrats in 1992, and it will repeat the same now.

Ross Perot dropped out of the election prior to the vote (yes he 'rejoined' 15 days before the election under major legal threats from his supporters, but the die was cast at that point and he knew it). Beyond that Ross ran as part of the 'Independent' non-party, making any votes for him essentially null and void when it came to allowing future persons to have access to federal campaign funds. He was only on the ballots because of the draft votes earlier in the year. Ross Perot gave us Clinton - Just like Donald Trump will give us another Clinton. Its the same play over again, just with a slightly different plot twist.

Perhaps one day we will have a viable third party to vote for. Perhaps if Trump wins this year, the GOP elites will take their ball and branch off a third party for the next election. However, this election is only between the two parties, and it is the most important election in decades.
If you do not want Hillary to win, the only vote that will help is a vote for Trump.

Every 4 years its the "the most important election in decades". Its bullshit. Voting between a Douche vs. Turd Sandwich will always get you something that you don't want to eat.

Hillary is going to win no matter what. You might as well brace for it and prep for the next election.

[DireWolf]

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/0...ile-puppy-dog/

"What does it say when you stand up and say 'Vote your conscience' and rabid supporters of our nominee begin screaming 'What a horrible thing to say!' If we can't make the case to the American people that voting for our party's nominee is consistent with voting your conscience, is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the Constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. THAT's how you win elections."

I believe the main issue is the ambiguity of the statement, and the fact that only a relatively small amount of dillution would be required to hand the election to satan's bride....

"Voting your conscience" can just mean too many things to too many people, and there's no friggin way that fact is lost on these douchebags....e.g. -dont like rude new-yorkers, vote someone else....upset because he said something mean or hurt someones feelers, vote someone else, etc., etc., ad-infinitum....

too many people are too damn thin skinned and get offended over the most trivial things, and completely loose sight of what's actually important, and I see it happen all the time in pretty much every situation and setting...some will express that offence, some will hide it, but the fact remains that in many cases people don't realize that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, all because they got hurt feelers or didn't like HOW something was said so they completely loose the actual message behind the words....

Some of the most effective generals, leaders, businessmen, etc. in history have been rude, crude, batshit insane, etc., but that doesn't change the fact that they genuinely cared for the outcomes and adhered to core principles (and people are allowed to change their minds over time, and its not always cause for suspicion), got the job done and didn't give two shits about winning a popularity contest and being crowned prom king......



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[speedysst]

While the Republic will survive up to 8 years of Hillary, can it survive the 30-40 years of up to 5 SCOTUS picks by Hillary?

The Republic, in some horrible disfigured form, will survive either. Whether its time to press the big red Jefferson button now vs. later (vs. ever) is beside the point. What is more telling is that you (and others) actually see a difference between Hillary (Dems in general) and Donald (Right in general) - there isn't. Both want to control you via some twisted morality play, and neither want you to have actual freedom. Look I don't want anyone in my wallet or my bedroom, or my body and anymore there is only one party that supports that.