CBI uping the fee

The CBI background check fee is going up to $15 on Feb 1...

Wow


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Are they increasing the voting fee too?

Sorry SOB's

Eta: referencing CBI and The BS double tax, not FFL's

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Originally Posted by Mazin

Sorry SOB's

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So are the FFL's going to have to eat the cost? Because by law they can charge no more than $10?

So what rational is behind this double tax 101% hike? Can't be because they are slow and don't want to lay people off is it? How about you use some of that 25% weed tax you sorry A*******'s.

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Originally Posted by callerys

So are the FFL's going to have to eat the cost? Because by law they can charge no more than $10?

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VERY GOOD POINT!

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Originally Posted by callerys

So are the FFL's going to have to eat the cost? Because by law they can charge no more than $10?

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The fee restrictions only apply to FFL fees for private transfers.

So...what's the incentive for FFLs to deal with private transfers?

One more slice to add to death by a thousand cuts...

Anyone that doesn't see this as a dem end-around/retaliation and a money grab simply isn't looking.

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Total bullshit!!!!!! It will never stop going up.

The judges who allowed "fees" to be allowed as "not taxes" should have been recalled, disbarred, and some more things that aren't allowed to be said on polite forums.

More incentive to CIP CIP for some. Not that I'm condoning that or anything.

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Originally Posted by callerys

So are the FFL's going to have to eat the cost? Because by law they can charge no more than $10?

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I believe you’re confused. The current CBI fee is $6. The ten dollar thing you’re thinking of is the fee the law specified for the private party transfer.

Currently $10 fee plus $6 CBI = $16

Now $10 fee plus $15 CBI = $25

How does the state justify such an increase? If nothing else the economy of scale should keep the price low. Where else is there a fee to exercise ones right? Also surprised that the computer age hasn't made this less expensive. No way in heck does it cost anywhere near this to do it. Unless you use less than honest accounting.

Doesn't Colorado's new minimum wage hike law go into effect on January 1st? Maybe CBI is using minimum wage folks for the background check and they're trying to recoup the cost of the Liberal fantasy "hiking minimum wage is good for everyone" idea.

TABOR stands in the way of every other increase to state revenue. That the discussion of doubling the price to hunt and increasing the cost to purchase guns happens to affect those most likely to maintain TABOR may or may not be a coincidence. It probably is though, because TABOR seems powerful enough to block enough tax hikes that this kind of death by fee increase will infiltrate everything possible and will transcend political boundaries.

Discourage your rights and transfer of wealth. The plan has always been the slow erosion of rights and taxation of wealth until both are gone.

Another step on the path.

I'll have to move to Idaho....

Seriously though, this is ridiculous. Agreed that it is a tax to exercise a person's right, in my opinion

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Originally Posted by ben4372

How does the state justify such an increase? If nothing else the economy of scale should keep the price low. Where else is there a fee to exercise ones right? Also surprised that the computer age hasn't made this less expensive. No way in heck does it cost anywhere near this to do it. Unless you use less than honest accounting.

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Information Technology doesn't create a profit, but a drain. Ever increasing costs of hardware, software, security and people to support all that. Unfortunately it costs $'s.

Truth.

BGC fees can get to $100 before I give a shit because so much more stuff will be way beyond effed up by then, it really won't matter.

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Originally Posted by gnihcraes

Information Technology doesn't create a profit, but a drain. Ever increasing costs of hardware, software, security and people to support all that. Unfortunately it costs $'s.

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CBI's InstaCheck Unit is profitable. Just like the FBI's NICS.

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Originally Posted by CBI Website

Upon examining expenses, the CBI has determined a re-calibration of the InstaCheck transaction fee is necessary to maintain current service levels to InstaCheck customers. Therefore, beginning Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 12:01 A.M. (MST), the CBI will increase the fee for a firearm background check from $6.00 to $15.00 (USD). Any firearm background check processed prior to this date will be assessed the $6.00 fee, including the January 1, 2018 through January 31, 2018 transactions listed on the invoices to be mailed the beginning of February 2018. For additional information please visit https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cbi/fflinformation.

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I'm calling bullshit on their declaration for why it's getting raised. Pure revenue grab.

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Originally Posted by Irving

TABOR stands in the way of every other increase to state revenue. That the discussion of doubling the price to hunt and increasing the cost to purchase guns happens to affect those most likely to maintain TABOR may or may not be a coincidence. It probably is though, because TABOR seems powerful enough to block enough tax hikes that this kind of death by fee increase will infiltrate everything possible and will transcend political boundaries.

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Haven't you heard? TABOR is effectively dead. And if it's not, it's on life-support, and the prognosis isn't good.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Not true in scale. E.g. like the medical field - the cost increases are due to regulatory/medicaid/insurance handling; but software otherwise has or would-have cut the amount of labor overhead tremendously. Purchasing expensive software licenses is NOTHING compared to the cost of even a single low wage employee a year.

CBI will be very, very profitable at $15.00. Having ran thousands of 4473's, I can tell you the FFL does 90% of the work for them, the actual labor time spent per check per CBI employee is probably about 3 minutes at most and they don't waste much time. 20 checks per hour per employee = $300/hour. Considering that in any industry, employees are almost always the biggest expenditure, it's hard to believe that the labor is only 5% of CBI's overhead. (Or 10% if we assume management costs = actual labor costs, which would be.. exaggerated).

Let's also not forget that the databases they search are not maintained by CBI - instacheck software is not complex - at all. Developing the software to gather and process 4473's on the dealer end and submit them is far more complex.

We need an external audit. When it comes to the state of CO, TRUST NOTHING.

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Thanks for that explanation. I still would like to know how many employees at CBI are dedicated to BGC for firearms purchase, and on-average, how many each runs per day. If they up the cost, they should increase staffing and days where we have to wait an hour + for a background check to be complete should be a thing of the past. Of course this won't be the case.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

We need an external audit. When it comes to the state of CO, TRUST NOTHING.

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^^^^^

I am opposed to paying the CBI to run these checks in the first place. Ever bought a rifle out of state? The Federal BG check is free and much faster than going through CBI, even for a non-resident purchase. One time the guy at Sportsman's Warehouse in WY actually apologized to me because the wait was so long. It took 3 minutes.

Edit; Not free, but already paid for.

I'd be interested to see how a CO Constitution amendment dictating that fees are now subject to TABOR restrictions would do. My bet is it'd go down in flames thanks to all the Californication going on, but wouldn't that be a nice way to shut them down.

At least the bar has been raised for constitutional amendments. Too bad some really bad ones (IMO) got in there before that happened.

From State Sen. Kevin Lundberg's email "report" (just got it)

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2. Background Check Fees Going Up 250%

This week I was informed that the Department of Public Safety (DPS) is raising the background check fee for gun purchases from $6 to $15. Unfortunately they have the authority to raise this fee without any additional legislative oversight (something I have consistently fought against for all departments).

DPS assures me it is "temporary," in order to make up for higher costs, but I find this increase to be completely unacceptable and want to know what the governor has to say about this increase.

This is particularly troubling for two reasons. The first is this fee (tax) is required if one tries to exercise their Second Amendment right to purchase a firearm in Colorado. It looks a lot like the poll taxes that some states imposed many years ago (which were determined to be unconstitutional).

Secondly, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which Colorado could be using instead of the DPS system, has no fee. If the Colorado background check is so expensive to operate, why not suspend the Colorado program and let the Federal system work for Colorado?

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I remember even gunowners backing the CBI check because as originally passed, fees came out of the general fund (no direct charge to the gun purchaser) because it was for "the common good".

Didn't take long to change it to penalize the gun purchaser, and now to further disincentivize evyl gun ownership, the fee is being raised. When will gun folks ever learn to not compromise?

O2

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

When will gun folks ever learn to not compromise?

O2

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But, but, if we just ge them this little bit they'll be satisfied.


Hahahahaha. Not likely.

The reason the whole system went into place in CO the way it is now was because CBI could check to see if you're the restrained party in a protection order (something NICS can't do). And since laws here state that if you are under a protection order that doesn't allow for you to be in possession of a firearm they wanted to ensure you weren't trying to purchase. I still think them charging a fee is BS.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

The reason the whole system went into place in CO the way it is now was because CBI could check to see if you're the restrained party in a protection order (something NICS can't do). And since laws here state that if you are under a protection order that doesn't allow for you to be in possession of a firearm they wanted to ensure you weren't trying to purchase. I still think them charging a fee is BS.

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Restraining order, that makes some sense. I couldn't recall why we went to the CBI check in the first place.

I doubt there is any recourse, I am not even sure who to voice a complaint to.
http://cocivilliberties.org/ccl-enco...-efficiencies/

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Originally Posted by Little Dutch

Restraining order, that makes some sense. I couldn't recall why we went to the CBI check in the first place.

I doubt there is any recourse, I am not even sure who to voice a complaint to.
http://cocivilliberties.org/ccl-enco...-efficiencies/

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Complaining to the government about the government....where they make money? I can't imagine it would get much traction.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

The reason the whole system went into place in CO the way it is now was because CBI could check to see if you're the restrained party in a protection order (something NICS can't do). And since laws here state that if you are under a protection order that doesn't allow for you to be in possession of a firearm they wanted to ensure you weren't trying to purchase. I still think them charging a fee is BS.

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NCIS picked up a restraining order (bad info) on a relative several years ago during a purchase in TX (denied). The order was apparently for the same name, but in Iowa. My relative had been in the state one time, a decade earlier, to pick up a motorcycle from an auction. Didn't even know the name of the other person on the order. Had to send a letter to the court or something to clear it up.

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Originally Posted by 00tec

NCIS picked up a restraining order (bad info) on a relative several years ago during a purchase in TX (denied). The order was apparently for the same name, but in Iowa. My relative had been in the state one time, a decade earlier, to pick up a motorcycle from an auction. Didn't even know the name of the other person on the order. Had to send a letter to the court or something to clear it up.

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From my understanding, and I could be wrong, NICS can't pull the most accurate RO info compared to what CBI can. Your situation sucks, and is regrettable. Sometimes mistakes are made, and cause headaches. These instances are horrible to deal with. Worse yet is when you encounter someone and the RO is still active in the system, but was dismissed weeks prior.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

From my understanding, and I could be wrong, NICS can't pull the most accurate RO info compared to what CBI can. Your situation sucks, and is regrettable. Sometimes mistakes are made, and cause headaches. These instances are horrible to deal with. Worse yet is when you encounter someone and the RO is still active in the system, but was dismissed weeks prior.

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You would make a great Tier 1 customer service representative.

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Originally Posted by Irving

You would make a great Tier 1 customer service representative.

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I thought that was part of my job description for my current profession.