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You wont find this on google or the internet so dont even try. They where selling metal cards engraved with lightening links. Dont know the details but if anybody bought one best look out. This is why I dont buy stupid shit like that no good ever comes of it. Their web site was still up last I looked.
https://www.autokeycards.com/
I don't know what any of that means. Guess I'm either old or just don't care since I don't fall for scams.
Did you click on the link or read the post? They were selling cards with lightning link components stamped out. All you'd have to do is punch out the pieces, I assume tack them together, insert into lower, and now you have a full auto gun.
So printing and selling schematic diagrams is illegal now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
My understanding is all they were doing was printing 1:1 scale diagrams on a credit card sized piece of metal.
Assuming that is the original URL of the company, I'm not too keen to click on it, to be honest.
I'm sure every buyer has a creative legal loophole that they plan on slyly introducing to their defense attorney. Kind of like "nuh uh, it'z a rebuild kit" but instead even worse, "nuh uh, it's a metal business card that happened to broke".
Every defense attorney will universally say, e.g. their wisdom is as useful as a sock full of nickels hanging from a tallywhacker and take the plea deal. +2 to don't buy stupid shit, especially stuff that the government prosecutes for. Fortunately for some, many ATF branches simply confiscate such things without prosecution, but... not always.
The ATF is out of control making up rules and interpreting laws incorrectly.
I hope they get slapped down hard for this violation of 1st Ammendment rights.
The mistake that a lot of gun owners make is thinking that the law is technical. It isn't. For practical purposes, there are no "loopholes" in any law to be honest. If the state doesn't like you, and society as a whole is the significant majority against your minority, they WILL get you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
A courtroom verdict is simply whatever the judge wants to happen + their bias + however they make you look in front of a jury.
Me, I don't think the odds are good that a judge at trial is going to say "aw shoot, ya got me on that, it's just a metal credit card ya'll" and the odds are quite high that you'll be portrayed as a sociopathic mass murderer in the making, with possession of plans to baby killing death delivering implements and the materials to manufacture it. And seeing an average jury who tends to be led hook-in-mouth to rubber stamp what a judge and prosecutor wants, the odds at trial are not good, but they never are. (almost every jury trial is a guilty conviction, the bias exists whether we admit it or not).
Of course, the chance of someone being crazy enough to go to trial in the first place and not take a plea after hiring counsel is probably unlikely. A plea deal probably wouldn't be TOO insane, maybe 2-3months in the can and a small fine. Trial though... say bye to your wife and kids.
Once again, +2 to don't buy stupid stuff. Balance risk vs reward with a reasonable perspective how justice doesn't work.
How is this a 1st Amedment issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
Actually you need to relieve some of the lower to have it fit, correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
no you dont they will fit in just about any ar15 on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I dont know all the details as far as the indictment is sealed at this point so it might not be because of the auto keycards it could be something else I dont know however like I said dont draw attention to yourself. I dont agree with any of it but that dont matter I dont make the laws or enforce them I just try to educate.
This is my suspicion. I bet they've got something else on him (like taking out Al Capone on tax evasion). I'm thinking if this was about the auto key cards, they'd 1) be contacting his customers and 2) they'd be bragging about how they're keeping illegal machine guns off the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterCO
The part of this that I find most troublesome is how they arrest and indict you and then freeze your assets so you're unable to hire an attorney and are forced to use a public defender (who is likely not the best attorney available, and is an employee of the same government that is prosecuting you). Which makes the whole thing look even more like a set-up.
They were selling prints, not devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Would I be arrested for putting the same print on paper? Or selling a picture of an actual one?
It's all 1st Ammendment so far in this case.
Fvck the ATF goons
First off im not a lawyer nor do I pretend to be one. The part you're missing is "Intent" you don't have to break the law physically if they can prove intent. For instance If I was planning to rob a bank and LE got wind of it they could arrest me and prosecute even though I had not committed the act. So you bought an auto keycard, solvent trap, fuel filter, oil filter adapter ect. There is only one reason anybody would purchase that stupid shit and ATF knows exactly why that is. You cant bullshit them claiming you're going to hang your auto keycard on the wall next to your Picasso painting it's bullshit and they know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
If I was out in the middle of the night peeking through windows claiming I was just out sight seeing would you believe me? It's a dangerous game people are playing thinking they are cute and circumventing the law and it is getting many people sent to prison. Again I don't agree with many of our gun laws but i sure as hell am not going to prison over stupid shit.
The "Intent" thing is horse shit. It's what they do, but it doesn't make it right.
Suppressors is the closest comparison I could think of. Should the ATF decide they want to stick it to you all they need is to show you own some aluminum wafers without a pre-approved tax stamp. And may God have mercy on your soul if you own a length of pipe and a Chore-Boy too.
I agree with you to an extent and understand what you are saying but it go's both ways. If you have children and someone decided to shoot up the school would you rather LE let them do it? You're child dies and they could have stopped it but hey unless they actually follow through with it they should stand down and let it go until after the fact? I bet most would prefer they stopped it before hand. I'm just playing devils advocate making a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Dutch
Intent is a big thing and unfortunately it go's both ways it can be a good thing and it can be a bad thing depending on the circumstances.
You jumped pretty far into that false analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterCO
Nope just pointing out the facts the law applies to everything equally you cant pick and choose when you think it should apply and when it shouldn't!Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Dutch
There was a good will Smith movie that involved policing thoughts...
I have a feeling that the regular cards were fine, but the "pencil holder" editions crossed the line. The hard parts were stamped out, leaving your machine gun just a jigsaw away.
No one is buying a credit card sized picture of a gun part for $180. Lets not be dumb.
Hit the nail on the head 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterCO
So the ATF is running the site and still taking orders on etched metal artwork...
Hmmm...
Unfortunately, that's only true for certain people. It may work that way for you and I...but not everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterCO
https://www.nbc11news.com/2021/03/05...ry%20of%202021
He has a point.
County prosecutor there (former) smuggle drugs into jail, including meth. Well here's a slap on the wrist to pretend to do something. He will even still be able to practice law after a few months if he just promises not to smuggle meth in the future!
https://www.atf.gov/tampa-field-divi...utokeycardscom
Not a great time to place an order
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
I loved the text...
It is a violation of federal law to manufacture, receive, transport, and/or deliver a machinegun not registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. 26 U.S.C. ?? 5845, 5861. A machinegun is defined under federal law to include "any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun." 26 U.S.C. ?? 5845(b).
The possession of any machinegun conversion device sold on these web domains is a felony violation of federal law, which carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 per count.
If you are in possession of a machinegun conversion device sold by AutoKeyCards.com or AutoKeyCard.com, you should contact your nearest ATF office or call 1-800-ATF-GUNS.
If you have broken the law, please contact your nearest police officer and inform him of the crime you committed. Seriously. Would people be that stupid?
No it would be interesting if the ATF got flooded with calls asking for clarification and they had to answer all the calls...
Stupid. They should have sold the little hand held device to actually cut keys at that price (Key cutter). I know so many people who lose their physical keys, because they accidently pushed the wrong tab/button on their key fob.
At least make it real legit.
https://i.imgur.com/MHmsiNq.jpeg
I just ordered one with the optional lightening link key punch attachment. [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena