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Haven't seen anything on the forum about this latest crazy shooting.
His Dad bought the gun a few days before the incident and the kid had online videos of him target shooting with it. Also kept a journal describing what he planned to do and made a video the day before the shooting detailing what he was going to do.
Sounds like a weird kid and I'm sure we will find out more but it's a great example of why you keep your firearms locked up and secure. Bad Dad!!
Why stop at the kids?
Just make everybody store their guns at a local armory facility and then they can sign them out for use at the range or hunting, under direct supervision from a LE or .mil representative- of course.
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In this case, the parents WERE completely negligent in providing access and training to their fucked in the head offspring. The Dad bought the gun and conducted an range session, already knowing they were scheduled for discipline meetings at the school. Parents don't get called for school meetings because junior was being extra chatty in math one day.
The millions of families with moral and responsible teens who have access to weapons don't need to lumped into this mess.
Or just don't allow anyone to have them. That's the "progressive" strategy.
Some people are broken. That's been known for as long as there have been people. It's also been known that you don't try to define a successful society based on the rare exceptions.
You sound like one of the people that supports the "safe storage laws" BS...Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
You're not wrong on bad dad/parents... But you are wrong on the reason for this kids parents being "bad"...
Parents should be parents and involved. As with most of these school shooters, I expect this kid was often left to his own devices because parent(s?) worked full time jobs, sent the kid to school, and largely ignored the kid when at home because "omg, I'm tired" etc... (personal experience at several friends houses)
teen can saw off a gun lock or get an access to small cabinet type of safe.
If the only thing keeping you teen from shooting up their school is the lock on your gun safe, you have got REAL PROBLEMS far beyond weapons access.
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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
I recall a few years ago a member here was stressing the security of his firearms because of issues with a child.
Turns out the issues were one of parenting more than a childs.
Pass the blame and praise the Lord.
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So very true!
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Originally Posted by flogger
A teacher saw him drawing a gun, with a person shot and bleeding with a laughing emoji, with a comment "the thoughts won't stop, help me".
This resulted in the parents being called to the school the morning of the shooting
His mom texted the little motherfucker "Don't do it" when she heard of the school going on lockdown
He should have been pulled from school, his shit searched, and he should have been locked in a padded room at that moment. No excuses for the parents, or the school admin
Parents have warrants out...
And the cops can't find 'emQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
Apple didn't fall far from the tree
Did he get bullied as well?
If he was, bullies should be partially held responsible as well.
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Originally Posted by MrPrena
Yep, cops were out to get the parents and they are on the run! Their lawyer states they were simply out of town for their own safety and are returning. This should make for some exciting news.
And now he is the new defacto face of every tween and teenager in America who has ever held a real gun, shot a real gun, or heaven forbid actually has an ongoing relationship with shooting related activities, and might have it be part of their lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Is terrorism a federal charge?
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Meanwhile, Ethan Crumbley is facing one count of terrorism causing death, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony.??
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-...arents-charged
The feds do not have exclusive jurisdiction of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
Heard they went camping, down in florida.Quote:
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Alligators might be their best option. We can only hope.
This is how i see it. If a bully keep poking a guy with rabies infected brain like shooter (not that this crazy shooter really had rabies but.), he will do rabies infected person do when provoked.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Maybe suspension from school? Depends on how school policies on bullies.
If I know a crazy guy, I will definitely not make fun of that person. I will try to avoid crazies. Bullies seems to like poking on some crazies. Instead,maybe bullies should poke on a wasp hives, and post it on a ticktock.
Parents arrested, hanging out in their car in a rando parking lot in Detroit.
"Returning home" my ass. Especially since they pulled $4k in cash Friday
We have to stop justifying mass murderers because they may or may not have been bullied.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
EVERYONE gets bullied, and most people engaging in some form of bully like behavior at least a few times in their lives. Bullying is on some level part of a society's psychological immune system that helps strengthen people's psyches. Certainly bullying behavior should be sanctioned when discovered but to pretend that people that are bullied are somehow provided an excuse for mass murder is just foolishness.
Anti-bullying measures will always be twisted into a means of controlling good kids (not actually prevent bad kids from bullying ... for example, a black bully will never be confronted if their victims are white). Vilifying and criminalizing all forms of competitive behavior (because they can always be spun into "bullying") will do way more harm to society than any bully every could.
NO ONE IS JUSIFYING mass shooting. if they are, they also need help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Everyone bullies and do get bullied.
If someone have some crazy tendencies , it is God damn no brainer not to mess and poke around.
If bullies are that damn stupid to f around with weirdos, they also have no place for society.
I remember when I was in school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
There was the harassment between kids.
Then there were the bullies. They were way beyond the picking kids (and adults) do at each other.
And there we certain kids where the bullying was really bad against them.
When people are talking about the crazy kid who was bullied it is picking at each other. It is the constant day in and day out just going at the kid.
The people who try to "normalize" real bullying probably fall into the category of the bullies who were way beyond social norms for kids in school.
It is a lot like porn. When it is try bullies and a kid really being bullied, we all know it when we see it and likely even deny seeing it....
Bullying got worse due to zero tolerance policies that schools now have.
Used to be, if a bully pushed too far, they got punched in the mouth. Now, bullies get free reign with zero consequences. Even if another kid tries to teach them some respect, it's the kid that fights back that gets disciplined. The bully gets off scott free and is even more emboldened.
And the inability to fight back against bullies makes the anger fester and build inside the bully's target.
That said, it's doesn't make bullies legally culpable when some kid goes off and murders others. Kids get bullied ALL the time and don't murder people. It just means we have a systematic problem that allows bullying bullshit to continue.
I use to know a kid name Ted who went to same elementary and middle school. He gets picked on a lot!
He was a decent kid but he does talk too much detail for average kid would like to listen.
He was bullied so much that some kids wil wait for him after school and cut his hair against his will.
His mom was pretty smart and try to take bunch of photos and Polaroid to capture Ted getting really bullied. Our elementary school principal was a fair person, but she would not do too much about Ted getting bullied. This was 80s.
I still am glad Ted took those bullshit really well and went to school without any problems.
Heck. He got little taller and start playing basketball well. Those dumbass kids who bullied Ted during elementary and part of middle school was damn quiet when he was beating the SHIT out of those old/former bullies in basketball. It was so bad that I even laughed at those old bullies how stupid they are in simple basketball.
There are 1000 ways for school kids to get back at those bullies without any violence. I don't know about now, but 80s and 90s, those sports was a great way to embarrass those dumbass bullies.
Responsibility and culpability have many different levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
People have breaking points. That is was torture is all about. That is what the US criminal "justice" system is all about (that is why innocents people will plead guilty).
All of those that are part of system that push someone past their breaking point have some level of culpability in the situation. Just as in this shooting, it seems the school officials may have some culpability even if they are not responsible for the kids actions.
Note the Oxford definition of culpable "responsible and deserving blame for having done something wrong". People can deserve blame for their action [or inaction] in a situation; that doesn't mean they themselves did it but they were a contributing factor in the situation.