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Remember the Clinton years (when he actually followed what congress told him)? Well our current guy is much, much worse... we don't have to have Obama for two terms.
I present this:
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Best way to put it!
Paul's not on the ticket as a third party, soooo, yeah.
What I do worry about is how all of the Ron Paul fans are going to vote come November, if they're going to vote at all. You would think they would go and vote for Gary Johnson, but I don't think many will (which will again most likely help obama). So many are so hung up on Paul that they won't look at anything else, including the actual libertarian candidate, who is better than Ron Paul IMO.
True, I guess I should have said Paul zealots... [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub
I think most people who are fans of Ron Paul understand the system well enough to know to vote for the candidate with the best chance of beating Obama. However if Romney does a sh*t job in the whitehouse, next election cycle everyone who ever thought about voting 3rd party should vote for a real libertarian candidate.
Precisely! That's what I've been saying since it seemed like Romney was going to get the nod from the Republican party... Okay so this year isn't the year, but if he doesn't start making things better 2016 I'm going to really push for the Libertarian party to get someone elected! [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
I am torn between Gary Johnson (who I know has no chance, but I can feel honorable about) And Holding my nose and choking down bile to vote for Mittens. I am just not sure I can do it for Mittens, the man makes me physically ill. (but Obeyme gives me the dry heaves) If only we were at a point where a man like Paul could win the nomination, but alas money is the key and no cow towing to special interests means no money.
Yeah...the fact that he can only get about 3% of the population to vote for him isn't THAT big of an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevelkinevil
Uh...no, they don't. Want proof. There's overwhelming proof in this forum alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
This libertarian says Gary Johnson is a weasel. As an ardent Paul supporter, I haven't decided who I'm goin to vote for... Though I know who it won't be for...
I am proof. Don't be so quick to talk about people whom you do not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Just responding to your post. Many people on this board have adamantly stated they won't vote for Romney because he's:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
- the same as Obama
- the same as other republicans
- not the same as other republicans
- not the perfect candidate
- puts his right sock on before the left
Many here have also said they'll take their vote and go home or vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate rather than vote for Romney because at least they'll have "a clear conscience". And they're perfectly free to do that. But in my opinion it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. And that's the fast-track way to a 2nd Obama term.
I, and others, have listed many ways (ad nauseum) how Romney IS NOT the same as Obama but still the platitude survives. The Paul supporters tell us we should not compromise our values and vote for someone with whom we don't agree. Well, I don't agree with many things Paul says he wants to do. And I don't fully agree with the libertarian party, either. So for you to say that everyone who's ever thought of voting for a 3rd party candidate should vote libertarian is something that I can't support in the slightest and I think it's an attempt at a "one size fits all" solution that doesn't work for many people.
As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.
I hope Romney is not another Obama, just like I hoped Obama wouldn't be another Bush, just like I hoped that Bush wouldn't be another Clinton, just like....... Oh, whatever....[Bang]
Paul haters just cannot be still. You got your wish, now please stop gloating.
Yep, Romney is the nominee. So I'm just not Republican. I may cast a vote for him, I may sit at home. I may just not care anymore, because I'm wrong for wanting what I want...My constitutional rights and a leader that understands them.
You anti Paul guys are the ones who don't seem to get it. I totally get it. You're caught up in an OMG THE OTHER GUY IS THE DEVIL argument that the republicans are putting out.
Paul was a way to pull me back into the party that betrayed me... all of us. That's why I was for him getting the nomination.
I trusted them with my vote for Bush over the ALGORE. Then I couldn't possibly let that flip flopper swift boat captain get into office so voted Bush again. I voted for McCain because it's what I was supposed to do, even though I was less than thrilled with him a s a candidate. He was the nominee before I even had a say. Then one day I woke up and realized that the Republicans were doing damage to our rights as well. Not only that, they were compromising with the dems on fundamental issues on the grounds of "reaching across the aisle", Unity, etc. Both sides are against me. I'm a conservative libertarian. Personally I think religion is stupid, but respect everyone else's right to believe what they choose, and show reverence toward their decisions. I'm rewarded by blue laws, Vanity taxes and "sin" taxes. I don't believe in sin, yet I'm taxed for it. I also believe in the constitution as written, no magical interpretations or wacky definitions of "the people", "arms", "shall not" etc. NEITHER PARTY OFFERS ME WHAT I WANT. I'm a constitutional conservative, not a religious progressive, or a socialist progressive, or a religious conservative, progressive conservative etc. For me it's like watching two dogs fight over my dinner, no matter who wins, I lose.
Those of you who insist I don't get it... I get it, I've already lost. Insult me all you like, call me a Paul Bot, an idiot, say that my vote is wasted, that I might as well vote for Obama. You're right, I might as well, because he offers me just as much that I agree with as a Conservative, progressive, religious, anti gun guy. Either way, I lose.
@Goodburbon: glad to see you in here again, buddy, posting common sense despite the melee of paranoia and nonsense from both sides. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. Great post.
@Goodburbon and Teufelhund: You guys certainly are not alone.[Beer]
Jeez. Where were you guys when all the epic Paul vs. Establishment Assholes were going on? It got a little lonely there for awhile.
Most of those debates have all gone to internet heaven due to the great crash of 2012.
Goodburbon- no party can fully satisfy anyone, but to spew this asinine argument that Mitt is Obama-lite or any other wholly false assumption (because until they're elected we can't be 100% sure how they'll actually act) just further makes you look like you're trying to alienate those of us who actually put aside that stupid "lesser of two evils" crap and recognize "anyone but Obama at this point." Because if you really look at it, I'd rather have Wild Bill Clinton with the Republican congress than Obama, at least Billy-boy did what congress told him, Obama just says "yeah yeah, whatever... I DO WHAT I WANT!" [Rant1]
Sorry, I was in California for my job. Tens of thousands of Paul supporters walking around everywhere I went... and I lived in the Central Coast area, not LA or SF!Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Just so you know. When it comes to politics you are a real A hole. If some one doesn't agree with you; they are mocked and ridiculed. God forbid that other people have a though process different then you.
Also To add a balancing point. I commend your strong political opinions. I am sure once separated from political talk (like most people) my opinion of you would be a lot different.
Fixed for you... [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
Yep, a--hole OP #2 just checked in.
Wow, you just wrote my bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
I've voted pretty much straight R tickets since Reagan's first term. In fact, I've only ever voted for a D once and that was a vote against Congresstool Tom Castle who even with an R after his name was more liberal in deeds than most of our Democrats in office here in this state.
I will not vote for the party of stupid blindly anymore only to find out that they'll give in time and time again to the party of evil just so they'll get a quick reach around by the media. The look of surprise on McCain's face when the media turned rabid on him the second he was the nominee disgusted me too much to ever do it again.
Now, I will never vote for a D again in my life no matter the circumstance. To me they fall on the scale somewhere around the Vichy regime.
However I will now vote for third parties if I like the candidate, I'll vote for Republicans if I like the candidate, and I'll leave slots blank if they all suck. My conscience has changed: Before it was do anything to prevent any D from taking office, to now voting for who best matches my interests.
I think the big thing we need to remember is this: Everything that Obama had done up until now will be TAME compared to what he will do without having to try to save face for another term. Romney may leave a bad taste in our mouths, however some individual freedoms (such as gun ownership) will certainly be under attack if Obama wins, and I'd rather have freedom even if it comes at the price of the bad taste of Romney. The anti-second amendment party will definitely go after our rights.
Every time someone says this I can't help but get a sound bite in my head of him talking to Medvedev (or whatever that Pinko bastards name is) "After I'm re-elected I'll have more freedom [to shred the constitution... hail Stalin!]"Quote:
Originally Posted by osok-308
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Originally Posted by osok-308
More Gun control won't pass if the R's have the house, so your argument is moot.
I find it amazing that people give Obama any credit at all. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing... He's a puppet put out on stage and told to read the teleprompter.
Romney will be the same teleprompter reading puppet.
I support team TRP the red one the red one it must be!Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
NO I support team TRP the blue one the blue one it must be!
Right... because Obama is such a staunch supporter of checks and balances and wouldn't dream of going ahead with whatever he wants despite what congress says... [Shake]Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
"Under the radar," remember...
... because Obama has paid SO much attention to his Constitutional duty to seek advice and consent from the Senate and Eric Holder didn't try to use Fast and Furious to create an inflammatory case to invoke gun control and the Obama Administration ISN'T trying to pass the UN Arms Trade Treaty after installing a Supreme Court Justice who thinks it's right and proper to look at what foreign governments and treaties are doing rather than historical Constitutional precedent ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
The republican party won't stand up to fix the problems. We're going to have to wait until the people do. As long as the people think that voting for one of those two parties will make a difference, we'll continue along this path.
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Originally Posted by Goodburbon
Voting for Romney is equivalent to kicking the can down the road.
The democrats and republicans relationship is so symbiotic that a vote for one is a vote for the other. Neither red or blue wings of Team TRP will protect our rights as defined by the Constitution or balance the budget. I will however support anyone who voted against the NDAA regardless of party affiliation.CO 1 Rep. Diana Louise DeGette Democratic Nay
2 Rep. Jared Polis Democratic NayCO 3 Rep. Scott R. Tipton Republican NayCO 4 Rep. Cory Gardner Republican YeaCO 5 Rep. Douglas L. ‘Doug’ Lamborn Republican YeaCO 6 Rep. Michael ‘Mike’ Coffman Republican NayCO 7 Rep. Ed Perlmutter Democratic Yea
As opposed to voting for Obama (or anyone else which I equate as the same thing) is like cutting yourself... a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
Voting for a third party this year is like voting for Obama which is equivalent to taking that can and repeatedly smashing yourself in the face with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
A lot of extreme statements about Romney here but I ask you this: do you honestly think Romney would have appointed Eric Holder as Attorney General? Do you think he would have appointed Elena Kagan or Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court? Do you think he would have completely ignored Congress and claimed he was making recess appointments despite Congress being in session? Are you saying he would have revived negotiations with the UN to pass their Arms Trade Treaty? Are you claiming he would have appointed a radical environmentalist to head the EPA and allowed them to pass extensive intrusive "regulations" without any Congressional review?
There's a lot I don't like about what the GOP has done but they are NOT the same as the Democrats and anyone that says they are is equivalent to one of Lenin's "useful idiots".
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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
I will not vote with fear as a driver anymore too old, too tired. Im going to vote for somone who supports the Constitution and balancing the budget.
Agreed.Quote:
... because Obama has paid SO much attention to his Constitutional duty to seek advice and consent from the Senate and Eric Holder didn't try to use Fast and Furious to create an inflammatory case to invoke gun control and the Obama Administration ISN'T trying to pass the UN Arms Trade Treaty after installing a Supreme Court Justice who thinks it's right and proper to look at what foreign governments and treaties are doing rather than historical Constitutional precedent ..
Truth is, I would love for the candidate who best exemplifies the Constitution that this great nation was founded upon. However, at this present time, no candidate who has a chance to win fits this description. There is a lot to lose this election, I am a realist and I will vote for whoever has the best chance to beat the socialist we currently have. I hope Rand Paul runs for president soon.
And I agree as well. I hate both of them. But the current one has to go at any cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by osok-308
So we get the so-so whatever light. The bottom line as far as it looks to me is that if we get another 4 years of the current one nothing may ever be able to be turned back.
Just my thought on the subject.
yup. As if all his republic-squashing so far isn't bad enough, he's already basically admitted that once he's re-elected, the brakes come off, and that's when he'll destroy us for good. It's time to use our brains, be logical, and vote with a purpose, not emotional fancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc