Its going to be interesting to see how long it takes for Obumer to speak out on this.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/17...m-ban-on-gays/
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Its going to be interesting to see how long it takes for Obumer to speak out on this.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/17...m-ban-on-gays/
"They've chosen to teach division and intolerance."
Gee, that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
Liberals are on big hypocrisy!
I don't have any right to be teaching my Cub Scouts anything about Religion, Sexual Orientation etc. That is the job of the PARENTS! I teach them skills, patriotism and TEAMWORK!!!!
Im getting tired of this crap!
Well, Im glad they stood their ground. Between the gays and the anarchists pressuring everyone to think like they do, they are no better than any religion that does the same thing.
The Boy Scouts of America is a PRIVATE organization and they have the RIGHT to do this! The LGBT "community" is always asking for tolerance but yet they won't tolerate others beliefs.
Good for them. This is a touchy subject. On the one hand, my uncle was gay so I am not intolerant of the gay community. But on the other hand, it's not my thing, I prefer not to be exposed constantly to their flamboyance (I can tolerate them but that shit is annoying!), and I'm sick of their agenda getting shoved into everyone's faces, living rooms, and lives. Good for you that you live your life on your terms, I don't go out exclaiming to everyone that I'm an avid shooter, or that I'm here and I love boobs, or what have you. So I'm glad that the boy scouts can be that one area where they won't invade and push their agenda on people who really are too young to give a crap.
Not that you'll see this, but what is their agenda" that justifies exclusions as leaders in the scouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Teaching children all that stuff about "gay is okay" and similar, when it comes to moral standards and sexuality, that should be family, not society that introduces and informs children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
Not sure I totally agree, but I can certainly see your point and willingly accept your position as valid as mine. Do gay scout leaders spend that much time teaching moral standards or do they just teach scout stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
That said, I don't agree with the BSA position but it certainly is their right to hold to it.
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Didn't they just have a softball game where no Straight people were allowed?
Just to make sure I understand, you're saying that all hetero men want to sex all the time with all females, even children? Shouldn't the sanctity of marriage be enough constraint to allow male Girl Scout Leaders? We allow male coaches for female athletic teams, don't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Fancy colored "neckerchiefs" are clearly a gay fashion accessory . . . if they were serious about no gays in Scouting they'd get rid of the colored neckerchiefs.
so, its ok, in you liberal mind, for men to share a tent with a young girl in the middle of the woods? i just want to see where you stand, if we didnt allready know.
Of all the gays I work with I don't know one that is out there during hunting season. I wasn't in the scouts but I know I wouldn't want one of them (at least the ones I've met) as my troop leader.
Youre either joking, or an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
As for gays in scouts, its supposed to be the same as fraternaties. Sex simply is not an issue, as its assumed not possible. Men and boys interact on teamwork, leadership, etc. There is no distractions, thus no issues. Take a small group, say 4 boys on a backpack trip for a week, 2 adults are required to go along. Say those 2 happen to be gay, and interested in each other. Now they are paying attention to each other instead of the boys. Problem. Not allowing gays eliminates this issue. Not being tolerant appears to be working well, as the number of molested boys from scout leaders is FAR lower than the catholic priests.
You want gays in scouts, fine, make it scouts, not boy scouts and girl scouts. Many other countrys I can think of has scouting across both genders, male and female leaders. 95% of the girls/women I have ever talked to would love to do the boy scouts thing, they feel girl scouts is lame, focused on stitching, and little craft crap instead of real adventure stuff. FWIW, sleeping arangements are still segregated with these scouts. That will not happen with boy scouts, it would have to be a new organization. Want to build it, let me know.
Why not? Are you afraid of a girl scout in your tent? Are you saying that we shouldn't trust you in a tent in the woods with a girl scout? How many scout trips have just one adult and one child, anyway? Don't most scout camping trips include parents, too? Could a father share a tent with his daughter? Could a father share his tent with a daughter and her fellow scout? Can a single dad allow a sleepover in his house of his daughter and all her friends?Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
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Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve....
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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Homosexuality =/= pedophile, the same way that heterosexuality =/= pedophile.
I guess all of the 5000 offenders mentioned in this article are heterosexual pedophiles, then.Quote:
The BSA, did the preemptive and smart thing. Now, its not an issue.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1067244.html
I agree that the organization should be run for the benefit of the scouts. I'm just not agreeing that not allowing gays is in their benefit.Quote:
Will there still be gay scouts and scout leaders? of course. But, its their organization, and they are running it for the benefit of the majority of the boys. Not for the minority or the scout leaders.
Do you all really worry about this?
I for one am more worried about the pedophile troop leader
molesting my kids then some kid who isnt sure if he is gay or not keeping that
secret to himself while he at Boy Scouts functions etc.
One reason I never let my kids join, not that they wanted to due to our
active lifestyle already in the outdoors.
Kids who are gay do not let that out of the bag for the majority and that majority is around 99.98%
You mean that couple who brought evil into the world, raised a murderer, and let the rest of their kids have incestuous relationships? Those role models?Quote:
Originally Posted by ANADRILL
Shut up troll [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by ANADRILL
There was no such thing as Adam and Eve. DUHHHHHHHQuote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
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Originally Posted by Clint45
Or get rid of scouts all together.
Why do they need an agenda? Or for that matter, why should they have to justify it to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
Having said that, BSA has been placed in a no-win situation for years because pro-gay forces want to force them to accept homosexual leaders but they've had to pay millions out because of predatory attacks by homosexual pedophiles. Note the use here is talking about pedophiles who are homosexuals, NOT (as often claimed by the left) equating homosexuality with pedophilia.
The Portland council recently had to pay $15M over one of these cases. My guess is they tried to strike a balance by keeping notes on registered Scouters who were "suspect" but tried to keep the notes private so as not to hurt anyone with unproven allegations -- but the sheer fact they kept notes and didn't warn people (including the eventual victim) was used against them.
Good for BSA National for once -- as a long time Scouter, I was afraid this big review would be used to by guys like Stephenson to push a change in policy to meet the demands of the politically correct.
I don't see why the homosexual and atheist activitists don't just create a Gay and Atheist Youth organization of their own instead of continually harassing the BSA -- except that I believe those activists are more interested in legitimizing and promoting their own lifestyles and beliefs than in actually helping kids.
In context, the reference was to the gay agenda in Ronin's commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
So what you're saying is the BSA doesn't want leaders who are pedophiles that prey on boys, so we should keep out all gay men as leaders, regardless? Just to be safe? What about those men who like grown women and young boys? Are they heterosexual or pedophilic homosexual? Sandusky was a long time practicing heterosexual; how good of a scout leader would he have made.Quote:
Having said that, BSA has been placed in a no-win situation for years because pro-gay forces want to force them to accept homosexual leaders but they've had to pay millions out because of predatory attacks by homosexual pedophiles. Note the use here is talking about pedophiles who are homosexuals, NOT (as often claimed by the left) equating homosexuality with pedophilia.
How does banning openly gay leaders protect children? I'd think an openly gay leader would be under enough scrutiny to prevent any incidents. A rule, and the BSA as a private organization is legally in the right, might keep openly gay men who are comfortable in their adult sexuality out of the Scouts but it won't keep secret pedophiles out.
Separate but equal, eh; where have I heard that before?Quote:
I don't see why the homosexual and atheist activitists don't just create a Gay and Atheist Youth organization of their own instead of continually harassing the BSA
Scouting is good for kids. I'm all for it. I'm curious about your last sentence: are you claiming that atheism and homosexuality are not legitimate lifestyles?Quote:
-- except that I believe those activists are more interested in legitimizing and promoting their own lifestyles and beliefs than in actually helping kids.
DING DING DINGQuote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
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And a few comments on the BSA haters....admittedly bias as I am an Eagle.
Some of us were not lucky enough to have fathers that were into the outdoors thing. My pop was just not into it .. no fishing , no hunting no camping I went camping with my dad ONCE to the grand canyon and I'm pretty sure my uncle (his brother) forced him into it. My grandfather was a bit too old to be going backpacking in the back country or canoeing for 2 weeks down the green river. So I had scouting to turn to cuz I AM into those things ( well never been a hunter but all the other outdoorsy things ) Scouting taught me a lot of skills and life lessons I still use to this day
I went all the way from Cubs to Webelos to Eagle to Assistant Scoutmaster after I was 18 and still helped out my troop. I take pride in the fact that every time I go home to my parents I still see the church( which was also our meeting house) who's fence I rebuilt as my Eagle Project and take pride that 20 years later parts of it still stand ( the church has expanded a few times since then and has taken down sections of the fence for more building)
I had a really good Scouting "career" I did things others never get to.
I was charter member, and youngest member of the "official" Honor Guard for the Boulder Dam Area Council ( Las Vegas NV) I was technically below their cut off age but I impressed the adult council members so much that they brought me on anyways.( I was 11). We did all the parades, TV appearances, any where an Honor Guard was needed or desired for the Council. I still have the plaque that was given to each of us after that first year ( I was on it for 2.5 years till the Air Force moved us)
I went to Philmont Boy Scout Ranch
I was a patrol leader
I spent 2 weeks canoeing the Green River to the Colorado.
I made rank as fast as possible till Life and Eagle ( those took me longer.. HS football and girls became a huge distraction LOL)
Where else would I have gotten those kinds of experiences ?
Okay, let me clear the air here- I was never once referring to a gay scout leader being more prone to sexually assaulting scouts... Not once did I even think that, that's not my concern because those cases are extremely rare. I was more along the lines referring to the fact that while I was in the scouts in my youth, the very thought of a gay leader would have been impossible. I'm sure several parents (as a lot were very hardcore right leaners that wouldn't have tolerated such) would be very upset to hear a gay person in a position of authority teaching lessons to their children. It comes down to what kind of stranger you want teaching life lessons and skills to your children? If you're gay then it's all good right? But if you're not gay do you really trust a gay person to NOT spout their pro-gay rhetoric to impressionable kids? I don't want my kids raised by Elton John and Ellen DeGeneris, I want to raise them on my terms with my morals and lessons, not some "See? We do it all the time, it's okay to shove your agenda and beliefs on people regardless of if they want it or not." THAT is what it all boils down to, it's not tolerance or acceptance, it's about: "Stop shoving that shit down my throat, whether it's pro-gay, pro-Muslim, or freaking pro-My Little Pony, if I want to know more about it or support it, I'll come to you, don't come seek me out!" /rant
Rucker, we get it. You are so much more tolerant than the rest of us.
If you have no business with Scouting then go about your life. Those of us involved are trying to something good for the kids. Not push a belief system and a hidden agenda. I for one try to bring them up to work together, learn new skills and build self confidence. The parents can make the decision if they know a leader is gay or whatever and not have their child participate. It is their choice. Why should a child have to be exposed to this? Please give me a reason why it makes you lose sleep over this. Start your own Troop and see how many families with one mom(female) and one dad(male) flock to join up.
You put people in a situation that they disagree with and then WE are all of a sudden the intolerant evil ones.
I don't go around making the world conform to me. I'm not pounding on the door of any woman's organization forcing them to admit me I just go about my life and if it does not concern me then so be it.
Make up all the hypotheticals you want. The Scouts made their decision so accept the fact. It does not concern you so move on to the next cause.
I appreciate your candor and frankness. I appreciate you volunteering to be a scout leader and passing on your knowledge to the next generation. I'm not lobbying the BSA to change their rules; those are their rules, and anyone who wants to be in Scouts has to agree to abide by them. I'd love to have my two sons involved in Scouts like some of their friends. I just don't want one of the lessons they take away from the experience to be "gays aren't good enough to be in Scouts" or "if you're gay, hide it from the world to be accepted".Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
I love having Rucker on my ignore list. Hides the stupidity![Tooth]
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by jplove71
I'm pretty sure they have nothing against you being heterosexual...
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Good thing they can still join the Marines.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
But they have something against someone not wanting homosexuals in your club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
The scouts aren't saying you can't be a homo, just can't do it in the scouts.
Nobody is stopping them from creating their own group and not allowing straight people in...
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Why is separation the answer? Why can't every kid be a scout? I've seen plenty of complaints about the exclusionary policy of minority organizations in this very forum, so why is it the answer now?Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
So create a group that lets everyone in, I don't care. These groups seeking 'tolerance' need to get the fuck on and stop harassing a private organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
What do you think the Black Panthers would say if I took my pale ass up there and tried to join? Their group, their belief, their right.
I'm biased in this conversation. I have a family member who is gay. I also had a brother-in-arms whom was gay. He has recieved 2 purple hearts and a bronze star for actions in Ramadi, Iraq...but hey let's piss on him because he's gay. Kinda funny how he puts his life on the line to protect our freedom, and ignorant civilians run their piehole. You know what they say, the empty can rattles the most. If the boy scouts wish for gays not to be involved, that's their perogative. It's kinda funny how the BSA says no to gays, but how many sexual predators are taking your children into the woods? The only ones who have convictions are the ones who have been caught.
Here's some food for thought...
There were 2,000 US cases of abuse within the Boy Scouts of America prior to 1994, and one abuse incident was as recent as 2006. -via a report on the internet.
So the BSA isn't the holy roller they think they are.
Sorry if my post offends anyone, it's just my 2 cents on the subject.
Parents should be much more involved in their childrens lives. They should KNOW who is watching, interacting, influencing their kids. I know most people dont now. Thats why they have public school, daycare, big boys, big sisters, Scouting, television, cable, internet. Whatever people can do, to NOT raise their own kids.
People need to take responsibility.