Romney and guns

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10-03-2012, 11:49
Sharpienads

Romney and guns

There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports, ambiguity, dishonesty, and sometimes ignorance when it comes to Romney and guns. Here are a couple of interesting reads on Romney when he was governor as it pertains to gun legislation.

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

http://www.nrapublications.org/index...nts-column-29/

Big take away: Romney did not sign an AWB when he was gov. The AWB was already law when he took over (and, unlike the federal AWB, it had no sunset clause). While some of these things may seem small to us, they were big steps in a state like MA.

I can't tell if these two articles are making excuses for Romney, or genuinely trying to explain what happened. But, what one thinks/does as governor almost a decade ago isn't necessarily a predictor of what one will do as president. Regardless, there's been enough "flip-flop-ish" talk from Romney to lead me to believe he's not as pro-2A as I would like.

Take it for what it's worth. Discuss civily.
10-03-2012, 11:59
Teufelhund
10-03-2012, 12:19
Sharpienads

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Ok, so as stated above, he's been "flip-flop-ish". The video has clips from 4 years ago and 10 years ago. It doesn't show his response to alot of the questions. What's your point?
10-03-2012, 12:24
kuench

I don't get why he wouldn't be pro 2A his family in Mexico smuggles guns from the US to duke it out with the cartels
10-03-2012, 12:27
Sharpienads

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Originally Posted by kuench

I don't get why he wouldn't be pro 2A his family in Mexico smuggles guns from the US to duke it out with the cartels

Huh? I must have missed something...
10-03-2012, 12:29
kuench

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Huh? I must have missed something...

Hang on I'll post a link up
10-03-2012, 12:35
kuench

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIy...eature=g-all-u
Here ya go. Pretty interesting documentary.
10-03-2012, 12:40
Sharpienads

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Originally Posted by kuench

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIy...eature=g-all-u
Here ya go. Pretty interesting documentary.

Can't watch it at work. I'll have to look at it later.
10-03-2012, 12:42
kuench

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Can't watch it at work. I'll have to look at it later.

Definetly give it a watch when you get a chance it's pretty interesting.
10-03-2012, 12:45
dwalker460

Interesting. My relatives rode with Jesse and Frank James, guess I should consider a new career in train and bank liberation.
10-03-2012, 12:47
Rust_shackleford

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Ok, so as stated above, he's been "flip-flop-ish". The video has clips from 4 years ago and 10 years ago. It doesn't show his response to alot of the questions. What's your point?

I guess I'll teach my kids to be politically expedient. No need to have character any more. Good luck with your next globalist puppet.
10-03-2012, 12:59
sniper7

I would have to say that his current stance is much better than Obamas.

What really matters is who is picking SCOTUS justices, how the house and senate elections fare, and hopefully no underhanded amendments are attached to anything important to both parties/the country
10-03-2012, 13:09
Sharpienads

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Originally Posted by Rust_shackleford

I guess I'll teach my kids to be politically expedient. No need to have character any more. Good luck with your next globalist puppet.

Maybe you should teach them about federalism and how different levels of government have different powers/limitations.

To boil his 2A stance down to political expediency or lack of character is not taking all things into account, IMO. Is it a possibility that since 2002 his views have changed? And if so, are we going to beat him up over it, even if he has legitimately changed into something that we agree with? Or is it possible that what he views as acceptable for a state isn't acceptable at the federal level?

The point is to discuss the topic and be able to back up your opinions.
10-03-2012, 13:11
Teufelhund

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Ok, so as stated above, he's been "flip-flop-ish". The video has clips from 4 years ago and 10 years ago. It doesn't show his response to alot of the questions. What's your point?

Just putting some info out there. Instead of listening to people accuse him or make excuses for him, listen to Romney declare his stance in his own words. Does it matter how long it took him to change his stance? His position was wildly different during the last elected office he held. You either believe in something and stand by it, or in the absence of such integrity you say whatever your advisers say you should to get elected. I agree with you, he's not as 2A-friendly as some believe.
10-03-2012, 13:12
ChunkyMonkey

When it comes to the 2nd.. it boils down to this fact imho. Obama has been proven to bypass The US Congress by appointing Czars and issuing Executive Orders (In fact he issued 139 executive orders in lesser than 4 years). Our federal govt is designed to check and balance itself, if Obama gets his 2nd term, there is not such thing as check and balance!
10-03-2012, 13:23
Ridge

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

When it comes to the 2nd.. it boils down to this fact imho. Obama has been proven to bypass The US Congress by appointing Czars and issuing Executive Orders (In fact he issued 139 executive orders in lesser than 4 years). Our federal govt is designed to check and balance itself, if Obama gets his 2nd term, there is not such thing as check and balance!

And W also appointed many czars and issued 291 executive orders in his 8 years in office.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ers/wbush.html
10-03-2012, 13:25
Rucker61

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

When it comes to the 2nd.. it boils down to this fact imho. Obama has been proven to bypass The US Congress by appointing Czars

True.

Listing of Executive Branch czars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_branch_czars

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and issuing Executive Orders (In fact he issued 139 executive orders in lesser than 4 years).

True.

Listing of numbers of executive orders issued, by President:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...sposition.html

In number of executive orders issued by year in office, Obama comes in right after President Bush in lowest average at 38 per year, compared to 36 per year for GWB.
10-03-2012, 13:26
dwalker460

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Just putting some info out there. Instead of listening to people accuse him or make excuses for him, listen to Romney declare his stance in his own words. Does it matter how long it took him to change his stance? His position was wildly different during the last elected office he held. You either believe in something and stand by it, or in the absence of such integrity you say whatever your advisers say you should to get elected. I agree with you, he's not as 2A-friendly as some believe.

You know, I once new a man who did not believe in God and believed that marriage was a outdated bunch of BS, did not believe in corporate anything. We lost touch, he went his way, I went mine. Well time passed and when we met again years later he was married, is a mortgage broker/loan guy, has kids, and is a devout member of his local Church (my hometown Church actually).

But yanno, people dont change.
10-03-2012, 13:27
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by Ridge

And W also appointed many czars and issued 291 executive orders in his 8 years in office.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ers/wbush.html

Fact.. It's Romney vs Obama. I dont know about you.. I don't want another Bush, or Obama.. Obama has proven to be worse than Bush w/ those eo and czars numbers.
10-03-2012, 13:30
Ridge

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

Fact.. It's Romney vs Obama. I dont know about you.. I don't want another Bush, or Obama.. Obama has proven to be worse than Bush w/ those eo and czars numbers.

Fact: As he hasn't been President, I can't really compare stats that don't exist.

You make it sound like Obama has been liberal with EOs and czars, when the previous Republican President was about equal on both terms.
10-03-2012, 13:34
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Fact: As he hasn't been President, I can't really compare stats that don't exist.

You make it sound like Obama has been liberal with EOs and czars, when the previous Republican President was about equal on both terms.

Exactly the point isn't it, we already know Obama is as bad as Bush if not worse. I'd rather take a bunch of first termer president over 2nd term free to rule president - especially since Obama is running on a platform that's fundamentally differs from my personal belief.
10-03-2012, 13:35
Teufelhund

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

You know, I once new a man who did not believe in God and believed that marriage was a outdated bunch of BS, did not believe in corporate anything. We lost touch, he went his way, I went mine. Well time passed and when we met again years later he was married, is a mortgage broker/loan guy, has kids, and is a devout member of his local Church (my hometown Church actually).

But yanno, people dont change.

I once knew of a guy who said he believed in tough gun laws, then said he didn't, then was elected President, then did whatever the hell he wanted regardless of what he said to get elected. Oh wait, no that last part hasn't happened yet.
10-03-2012, 13:37
Ridge

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

Exactly the point isn't it, we already know Obama is as bad as Bush if not worse. I'd rather take a bunch of first termer president over 2nd term free to rule president - especially since Obama is running on a platform that's fundamentally differs from my personal belief.

A first termer who is just as conservative as the current guy is. The GOP and the Democratic party are both only after to fatten their wallets and enslave the nation. They use things like gun control and abortion rights and the like to keep the people fighting each other so they can carry on pillaging the country.
10-03-2012, 13:42
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by Ridge

A first termer who is just as conservative as the current guy is. The GOP and the Democratic party are both only after to fatten their wallets and enslave the nation. They use things like gun control and abortion rights and the like to keep the people fighting each other so they can carry on pillaging the country.

Another first termer of the same is still in checked compare to the 2nd termer. No chance of 3rd party to win. I fear Obama's 2nd term - no doubt about it.
10-03-2012, 15:03
buffalobo

Both articles linked by Sharpienads rely on info provided by GOAL, a gun rights group that supports "reasonable restrictions" (like AWB).

Whether Romney has a better stance on RKBA than Obama is debatable. The fact is, that he is a poliltician who will say most anything to get elected(just like Obama will/has).

Both candidates suck when it comes to RKBA. Both candidates suck in most every area of personal liberty and freedom.
10-03-2012, 16:01
CapLock

Don't you find it amazing...300 million people in this country and these are the two chosen for you to pick from. I'll be crossing my fingers come December [Beer]
10-03-2012, 16:06
Rust_shackleford

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Maybe you should teach them about federalism and how different levels of government have different powers/limitations.

To boil his 2A stance down to political expediency or lack of character is not taking all things into account, IMO. Is it a possibility that since 2002 his views have changed? And if so, are we going to beat him up over it, even if he has legitimately changed into something that we agree with? Or is it possible that what he views as acceptable for a state isn't acceptable at the federal level?

The point is to discuss the topic and be able to back up your opinions.

Drink the koolaid enjoy the collapse. I dare you to watch this and report back. Your Romney is a globalist dirt bag. His views have changed? Views? How about convictions? He must not have any, just views. I want my children to have convictions in regards to their GOD GIVEN RIGHTS, not views.
You would tear a liberal a new ass for flip flopping half as much as this liberal with an R after his name.
Mitt is not going to save the Republic but continue to kill it.
This link is his immigration policy
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ration-policy/
This link is Mitt's comedy hour!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
10-03-2012, 16:33
20nickels

I don't think guns are on MR's mind. Voting BO out of office will be one of the most important things I do this year.
10-03-2012, 16:51
Irving

Mitt Romney is an investor, and this run for president is his ultimate investment for himself. I doubt Romney cares one way or another about guns, gays, abortion, religion, marriage, etc, except for how it pertains to him getting votes. I don't want any president to care about those things either.
10-03-2012, 17:22
Clint45

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Originally Posted by Irving

Mitt Romney is an investor, and this run for president is his ultimate investment for himself. I doubt Romney cares one way or another about guns, gays, abortion, religion, marriage, etc, except for how it pertains to him getting votes. I don't want any president to care about those things either.

Romney holds the American people in utter contempt and cannot be trusted.

I have nothing positive to say about Obama either.

I am disgusted that these are the only two choices we have . . . unless you want to throw your vote away on a 3rd party candidate or not vote at all. Presidential election is decided by Electors rather than individual votes, and that system is so crooked it does not seem like anyone's vote makes a difference. I wonder who got the contract for the computerized polling machines this year? If voting could change the system it would be illegal.
10-03-2012, 18:47
Sharpienads

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Originally Posted by buffalobo

Both articles linked by Sharpienads rely on info provided by GOAL, a gun rights group that supports "reasonable restrictions" (like AWB).

Whether Romney has a better stance on RKBA than Obama is debatable. The fact is, that he is a poliltician who will say most anything to get elected(just like Obama will/has).

Both candidates suck when it comes to RKBA. Both candidates suck in most every area of personal liberty and freedom.

I didn't realize the GOAL was so liberal. I just heard of them yesterday. I'll have to look into that.
10-03-2012, 18:48
Rust_shackleford

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Originally Posted by Clint45

Romney holds the American people in utter contempt and cannot be trusted.

I have nothing positive to say about Obama either.

I am disgusted that these are the only two choices we have . . . unless you want to throw your vote away on a 3rd party candidate or not vote at all. Presidential election is decided by Electors rather than individual votes, and that system is so crooked it does not seem like anyone's vote makes a difference. I wonder who got the contract for the computerized polling machines this year? If voting could change the system it would be illegal.

That above covers it, class dismissed!

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