My my, look who came out out today........

[HBARleatherneck]

Jer, i dont think many people here care if gays marry or whatever they want to do. but, these people dont care about freedom as a whole, like most of us do. we dont care if you smoke dope, marry your boyfriend, whatever. WE LOVE FREEDOM. The problem the way i see it, is these same people who demand freedom, will go out of their way to take our freedoms. they are not freedom lovers they just want what they want.

personally i want freedom for all against governmental tyranny. the government needs to stay the hell out of our lives.

[BPTactical]

Interesting qoute on yahoo news:

The Catholic archbishop of Denver, Samuel Aquila, said the passage of the law was an effort to redefine marriage and family. "Marriage is a stabilizing institution at the foundation of civil society. Religious liberty is a civil rights issue," he said. "Today both have been grievously harmed. Today our state and federal constitutions have been dealt a troubling blow."

Fox:

Hundreds looked on as Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper signed the bill, with many chanting "Equal! Equal!""There is no excuse that people shouldn't have all the same rights," Hickenlooper told the crowd.

Butt rights yes, gun rights no.

Uhmmm yeah, thats equal




Still say he is a chickenshit pussy

[Ronin13]

While I agree with Bert's sentiment- Hick is a chickenshit- I have no real dog in the "Civil Unions" fight, because frankly I don't give a rats ass... If I want to marry my GF, the fact that two lesbians can now be recognized by the state in a civil union doesn't detract from the vows I would take before God, and my family. Just because Adam and Steve wanna have their union legitimate in the eyes of the state doesn't make any marriage less legitimate or worthy.
Now, like Bert said, it's when you scream out of one side of your mouth that we all deserve the same "rights" but then turn around and try to restrict rights clearly reiterated and protected by the Constitution (by the way, marriage/civil unions ARE NOT), then I have a huge fucking problem and think you need to be put on trial for violations of the natural born rights of the people. You can not pave the way for one set of rights while steamrolling another, especially if the rights you're trying to limit are those that come second only the rights of free speech in the eyes of our nation's founders.

Alas, until the fight is over, everyone please don't bitch too much when your tax dollars are spend on making new signs welcoming people to Commierado- "Welcome to Colorado (a subsidy of CA)! If you're gay or a pot head, welcome... If you like guns, turn the f*** around!"

[Jer]

Jer, i dont think many people here care if gays marry or whatever they want to do. but, these people dont care about freedom as a whole, like most of us do. we dont care if you smoke dope, marry your boyfriend, whatever. WE LOVE FREEDOM.

Equality of freedoms is not the way that most of these threads go.

The problem the way i see it, is these same people who demand freedom, will go out of their way to take our freedoms. they are not freedom lovers they just want what they want.

Really? Couldn't the same be said by most of 'them' about most of 'us' since most of the group who are against same sex marriage fit the same demographic as those who fight for 2A rights?

personally i want freedom for all against governmental tyranny. the government needs to stay the hell out of our lives.

I couldn't agree with this statement more and the more people realize that ALL freedoms should be fought for and ALL freedoms affect someone's daily life the sooner we can all unite against the entity that wishes to take all of those away from us. How easier can we make it for them than to try to fight among ourselves about which freedom is more important and which people personally agree with or against.

[Ronin13]

Equality of freedoms is not the way that most of these threads go.

Very true. I've seen many on here- can't from memory and won't name names- who think homosexuality is "wrong" and "leading to the moral decay of American society." I'll just agree to disagree.

Really? Couldn't the same be said by most of 'them' about most of 'us' since most of the group who are against same sex marriage fit the same demographic as those who fight for 2A rights?

Both sides that believe opposite are wrong. Liberty is a two way street, there is no justification for wanting to be free while attempting to limit how "free" another person may be, regardless of your religious or social beliefs. HBAR said it best, they don't quest for freedom, they just want their way and to hell with everyone who thinks different.

[Jer]

Very true. I've seen many on here- can't from memory and won't name names- who think homosexuality is "wrong" and "leading to the moral decay of American society." I'll just agree to disagree.

It just amazes me how they alienate others who are fighting for freedom and then wonder why others are so quick to not respect the freedoms that THEY hold dear.

Both sides that believe opposite are wrong. Liberty is a two way street, there is no justification for wanting to be free while attempting to limit how "free" another person may be, regardless of your religious or social beliefs. HBAR said it best, they don't quest for freedom, they just want their way and to hell with everyone who thinks different.

So who is 'they' in this case? Those who want firearms, gay marriage or pot smokers?

[HBARleatherneck]

jer, we arent all conservative republicans. some of us are libertarians.


ive said it in the past, we need to let everyone know that the 2A is for everyone. actually Freedom from the government is for everyone.

gay, straight, lgbt, polygamist, black, white, yellow, green, red, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, doper, drinker, tea totaller, city people, country people, man, woman, child everyone.

of course you guys will have to help with some of those outreach areas.


and just because we all rate the same freedom as everyone else, I still may think you are a freak.

[Jer]

jer, we arent all conservative republicans. some of us are libertarians.

I understand. The question was rhetorical and was to prove a point for those listening who think their rights are superior to other's. That's all.

ive said it in the past, we need to let everyone know that the 2A is for everyone. actually Freedom from the government is for everyone.

Couldn't agree more.

gay, straight, lgbt, polygamist, black, white, yellow, green, red, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, doper, drinker, tea totaller, city people, country people, man, woman, child everyone.

of course you guys will have to help with some of those outreach areas.

Yes. Freedom is for EVERYONE not just those who want it in areas you personally support. Demanding freedom in one respect while simultaneously fighting to take freedoms from others is recipe for failure. (BTW, that 'you' is collective for those who would think their freedoms count more than those they don't personally support)

[Ronin13]

So who is 'they' in this case? Those who want firearms, gay marriage or pot smokers?

"They" in the case I spoke of is anyone who refuses to recognize that liberty for one is liberty for all, it is not mutually exclusive. Prime example- I equate it as being equally wrong and an infringement for someone to be pro gun, yet anti-gay and makes attempts to limit the rights of gays (you can be anti-whatever, but the moment you try to decide that they are not entitled to equal treatment and equal rights then you just crossed the line). Just as it is wrong and infringement for a marijuana user to push for his rights to smoke pot, but then attempt to pass laws that limit my second amendment rights.

[Jer]

"They" in the case I spoke of is anyone who refuses to recognize that liberty for one is liberty for all, it is not mutually exclusive. Prime example- I equate it as being equally wrong and an infringement for someone to be pro gun, yet anti-gay and makes attempts to limit the rights of gays (you can be anti-whatever, but the moment you try to decide that they are not entitled to equal treatment and equal rights then you just crossed the line). Just as it is wrong and infringement for a marijuana user to push for his rights to smoke pot, but then attempt to pass laws that limit my second amendment rights.

Like I said in my next post, rhetorical question to prove a point. I don't know how many times I hear exactly what you said by someone talking about 2A as he demonizes others who would want similar rights int he same sentence. In those statements you can switch the words around and it has the same meaning but they will never understand that.