Quote Originally Posted by Jamnanc View Post
Mike says, if wind energy was competitive, we wouldn't have to force companies to use it..
Mike is right except I would have worded it differently.

My version = Mike says, if wind energy was competitive it would stand on its own without government subsidies.

Quote Originally Posted by Jamnanc View Post
Hick says, well when you account for the subsidy, it's very competitive. Am I fooking stupid or am I missing something. Isn't the government running a deficit? Aren't they threatening to cut services and social security? Maybe some of the more liberal minded can explain to me the reasoning that hick used.
You are not stupid, people who believe in what Hick said are stupid. This is the same old liberal shit, something means whatever idiocy the liberal can pin to it. To hell with the truth.

Using wind and solar on an individual house might make sense but only if the government doesn't subsidize the homeowner directly or indirectly through Xcel.

Using wind and solar to power an entire metropolitan area is beyond stupid. The scale of efficiency does not apply.

Natural gas, coal, and oil are 24x7 energy generators, wind and solar only work when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining. Don't get me started on the batteries and the toxic wastes generated during their production and disposal.