New York Man Arrested under the SAFE Act

[Bailey Guns]

I am of the opinion that it is a violation of Due Process to criminalize an inability to count.

Oh, right. So he's the victim of a failed society in this whole thing. That sounds like a good defense!

[Rucker61]

Oh, right. So he's the victim of a failed society in this whole thing.

Let's arrest them instead!

[Hound]

Well, if you're dumb enough to have a PMag dated post July 1, 2013 and you get popped for it then you deserve it. If it's dated pre July 1, there shouldn't be an issue.

And, no, I'm not supportive of the mag law.

Never thought you supported the law but my point was going towards the grandfather clause which makes it completely uneforceable. We all have PMAGs but an over zealous Denver cop can cause trouble even if legal (not all mags have stamps). This also goes towards my original question of "If he was just passing through". If he was a resident he screwed up, if not... Over zealous cop.

[Chad4000]

Oh, right. So he's the victim of a failed society in this whole thing. That sounds like a good defense!

nobody said he was a victim per se... but again (going back to the BAC thread), the penalties are pretty stiff. why not warnings in situations like this? for 6 months or something, until the gov has made attempts to clarify the new laws, they dont go straight to the point where they arrest you. impound your car, charge you with weapons violations (misdemenor or not) etc...

they have billboards devoted to making sure people still understand that buckling up is the law. and thats been the law for what? 10 years plus?

in this case, it's been like 15 minutes since the law passed, and boom arrests... think he left with his gun after bonding out?

(I'll give you this one is muddy because the gun would have been arrested either way because his DL was suspended)

[Chad4000]

I don't think it's even a real gun. Notice the lack of a guide rod, and a hinge on the polymer frame forward of the trigger guard.

yeah wow... what would that mean it is? airsoft?

[Great-Kazoo]

nobody said he was a victim per se... but again (going back to the BAC thread), the penalties are pretty stiff. why not warnings in situations like this? for 6 months or something, until the gov has made attempts to clarify the new laws, they dont go straight to the point where they arrest you. impound your car, charge you with weapons violations (misdemenor or not) etc...

they have billboards devoted to making sure people still understand that buckling up is the law. and thats been the law for what? 10 years plus?

in this case, it's been like 15 minutes since the law passed, and boom arrests... think he left with his gun after bonding out?

(I'll give you this one is muddy because the gun would have been arrested either way because his DL was suspended)

Because Warnings, are not arrest. Arrest make headlines, Shows NYS is serious about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. and anyone else they can grab.

[Rucker61]

Is there a reason you specifically singled out Denver cops? Are they somehow more apt to be overzealous when it comes to enforcing a state-level mag capacity limit that is to be enforced by every cop in every jurisdiction? (Ironic that Denver's own municipal mag capacity ordinance is actually more lenient than the pending state law...)

Denver is the largest municipality iwth the largest police force, and LEOs there already have experience enforcing a capacity ordinance. Since the new law as written is unenforceable, and the aforementioned Denver ordinance will continue to be enforced against possessors of 30 round PMAGs, it's a pretty logical step to pick Denver LEOs for the example. None of the Fort Collins cops I know have any intention of enforcing it, nor will the Larimer County Sheriffs.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't think the entire law is unenforceable. If you're in possession of a magazine over 15 rounds and it's stamped with a "born on" date that's later than June 30, 2013, it seems pretty clear you would be in violation. And I'm curious as well why you singled out DPD? The law will cover the entire state...not just Denver. Having said that, the entire law is a waste of time and won't do anything to reduce crime as promised by democrats.

Maybe I just missed them but I don't recall hearing of any stories of overzealous DPD officers going out of their way to enforce the Denver ordinance. Or I don't recall any instances of such.

And BTW...my statement about the guy being a victim was sarcasm.

[KestrelBike]

What's appalling? The fact the guy was stupid enough to be driving around with an equipment violation, on a suspended license, with more than the legal limit of ammo in his gun? Or the fact a person is limited to 7 rounds in NY?

Sorry...I feel for the citizens of NY with their stupid laws. But that doesn't mean he should exercise his own brand of stupidity without consequences. I know the laws for carrying a gun in this state and I abide by them because there are consequences for not abiding by them.

I may change my mind in the future.

So basically it's an add-on charge? As in if he had a Big Gulp in the center console they would have charged him for a high cap soda.

[Byte Stryke]

Just remember this guys, Unfortunately other states are looking at Colorado in the same "They are liberal bat-poop crazy" light

So when you load up to go to the range and get pulled over "I saw you weaving a little back there.", "Do you mind stepping out of the car for a field sobriety test?", " I am just going to put these on you and seat you in the back of my patrol car for our mutual safety."


Next thing you know, it will be YOUR mugshot on the blaze with folks on the intarwebz doing the armchair quarterbacking.