Tom Tancredo to Run for Colorado Governor

[Bailey Guns]

I just knew if I said the dreaded "L" word somebody would get their panties in a wad. Yeah lets just stick with the same old tired BS that'll do it. I'm a staunch lifelong Repub but I'm sick of the lousy candidates, the left leaning go along policies, the general wishy washy crapola my party doles out. If there is not a major change, I'm gonna change and vote my for the person that is aligned with my ideals, and to hell with voting for "my" party. Party voting has not gotten us anywhere in at least 4 elections. Ok, flame on, I'm done.

Nobody got any panties in a wad, libertarian boy. You said voting libertarian would be smarter. I disagreed. If you can't understand why what I said makes sense, knowing the L party will get just a few percentage points at the polls, then you're beyond reasoning with. And you're wrong about party voting. It may not have gotten "us" anywhere in the last few elections but it's working great for republicans in other states and the dems have been doing a bang-up job with it here. Vote how you want. Nobody cares. Except the democrats that will be re-elected.

[Bailey Guns]

I think you said before that you're not on Facebook, but Sheriff Maketa's FB page has blown up over the past few months with hundreds of people BEGGING him to run for governor. It's a good sight to see.

Cool. I guess we'll see what happens with that.

[HoneyBadger]

This is where I'm at as well. I'd much rather a libertarian in charge philosophically, but it isn't going to happen and the libertarian party is still a joke: The party of pot and no license plates and whatever other goofy ideas.

Clearly you don't have a clue what the Libertarian party is about. It's not about policy, it's about the principles of liberty.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Clearly you don't have a clue what the Libertarian party is about. It's not about policy, it's about the principles of liberty.

I'd say I have the Libertarian Party pegged dead on.

When they come around to the principles of liberty and stop being such a joke, I'll be more on board.
Until then, best of luck with the Michael Badnarik and Ron Paul shenanigans. I'm going to vote with the grown-ups.




Edit while I'm thinking about it: The problem with the Libertarian Party, as alluded to, is the faces they trot out and I mentioned them above, and also just a bit of exclusivity to them. Just reading your post, which I might interpret as, "Oh you don't get us, be gone!" And this isn't my own observation, Wilkow and Levin have spent hours on that exact same topic. OK, fine, I'm plenty happy with that. I may be very libertarian economically (especially!), and socially (while it isn't my thing, gays, abortions, pot, etc etc shouldn't be the government's thing either), but it isn't about my politics. I'm happy to never public identify with this freak show while you have Badnarik driving around with licenses and plates to make a liberty point, college libertarians blasting the cypress hill and carrying on about TJ and GW's quotes on hemp, and Ron Paul basically damning Chris Kyle, MLK, black males, and insisting on near isolationism and the whole thing carrying 3% of the vote. Uhh, yeah, I guess I would rather hang out (or vote!) with the "bible beaters" and tea party types.

The democrats have managed to somehow bring in all these differing opinions and groups (and a few former 3rd parties!) into their "big tent." I'm not sure why we want to split hairs on the less important BS. So, sure, count me a repub. That's fine.

[roberth]

The democrats have managed to somehow bring in all these differing opinions and groups (and a few former 3rd parties!) into their "big tent." I'm not sure why we want to split hairs on the less important BS. So, sure, count me a repub. That's fine.

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

Conservatives and Libertarians are naturally more difficult to herd because we're individualists who have much stronger bonds to our personal goals and to compromise is an affront to our individuality. We tend to run in smaller groups or alone because we like being our own people (singular).

[Aloha_Shooter]

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

Conservatives and Libertarians are naturally more difficult to herd because we're individualists who have much stronger bonds to our personal goals and to compromise is an affront to our individuality. We tend to run in smaller groups or alone because we like being our own people (singular).

I'll argue the "greater goals" bit. The Democrats have a bunch of mind-numbed robots who will adopt any knee-jerk anti-traditional/Christian/Western/capitalist stand. They recite "Roe v. Wade" repeatedly like it was some magical chant regardless of whether any Republican has said anything about it (when was the last time "Roe v. Wade" was a part of the Republican Party platform?). The biggest problem is we've allowed this lack of intelligent focus or critical thinking to permeate the education system so kids grow up believing this Marxist, anti-Western pap. I deal with teenagers regularly and steadily and even ones regarded as intelligent surprise me with their inability (or unwillingness) to just walk through a problem to a solution. I ask a question or pose a problem and they'll just sit there dumbly expecting that I'll give them the answer if they just wait long enough.

The Dems toss out "answers" so anyone conditioned to this way of "thinking" accepts it blindly. To be fair, the Republicans and Libertarians do this too but their answers typically imply work or are less fun so less popular.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

If the Conservatives and Libertarians are forced to compromise with each other or continually split and lose to the left and face being told what to do with our healthcare, our weapons, our businesses, our money, our land, our children, etc, etc, etc - I really like to think we can sacrifice a bit of individuality, but it seems probably not. Living with either conservative or libertarian principles a lot easier than this extreme progressivism, imho.

[Ronin13]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

[wrestler034]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

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Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

[Rucker61]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

Yeah, and the media will go along with that.