Tom Tancredo to Run for Colorado Governor

[Aloha_Shooter]

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

[wrestler034]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

No one was "talking down" to anyone. If the republican party will not back off on abortion and same sex marriage, among others, we will continue to see the map turn blue. But as expected once religion was brought up we made it two posts before the name calling started... so I'm out.

[Bailey Guns]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

[losttrail]

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

Well said.