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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-Boy View Post
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    spot on. Don't seek out professional training from amateurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloccw View Post
    spot on. Don't seek out professional training from amateurs.
    It is similar to getting a tax advice from a master plumber.
    Maybe roter rooter will hire CPA or Tax Attorney to become their part time plumber.


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    Another one I recently saw a HUGE training muzzle sweep during live fire video. I have the feeling it's one of those, "don't get professional training from ameteurs thing".
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    You are 100% correct. My apologies. I was incorrect and misreferenced the company. I edited my original reply. Again, my apologies.
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    Damn, hot red head at the gun range? i require bikini pics!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyTTE View Post


    So you disagree... Care to rebut?
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    ^--- Could make it the official : Training classes not to take, or people who should not be armed thread.

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    I think the problems in the original video have been pretty well covered. However, I believe the root of the problem is people teaching over their head. Of course we all want to be a subject matter expert, gun ninja. The thing is, as with every profession or interest those who are truly well versed in a subject know how much they have to learn and remain humble about their skills. How many championship winning coaches have you heard preach a million times about reinforcing the basics? There is a reason for that.

    I have no idea what it feels like to be standing in a stack waiting to make entry on a room full of bad guys. But I imagine it feels a little better knowing that the guy behind you doesn't have his finger resting on the trigger and that if he trips he isn't going to accidently shoot you in the back.

    We are in a precarious place right now in that there are a lot of people seeking weapons training, which is fantastic. However, these people are infants in the area of training and weapons manipulation and don't even know what questions to begin asking. They may know the four fundamental safety rules. Good, now why do we use those rules? What does keeping your weapon pointed in a safe direction mean when moving through a house with teammates in front of and behind you? We as the gun community need to be very careful of the advice and TTPs we pass along. The burden is especially heavy on instructors. These new shooters are going to take what they hear from you as law.

    The unfortunate reality is that safety and training issues will eventually sort themselves out. However, it is going to be someone pulling a Sonny and killing a student, or the like. Situations like that just make it harder on the rest of this and give the anti-gunners one more reason to come after us.

    All this is to say, to those of you teaching please be extraordinarily careful what you teach. Make sure you know the real life why to everything you are passing along. Know what it looks like when a student is outrunning his headlights.

    To those of us seeking training, ask yourself, do I want to learn from someone who has read a lot about this, or someone who has done this for a living? I don't know about you guys, but in college I encountered a number of professors who had spent their careers in academia; those who had never left college. They had a great amount of knowledge, some of which was really useful. However, there were also those professors who actually worked in the subject they were teaching. Those were they guys who could pass along the real, actual, relevant information. They knew what worked, what didn't and why in real life, not just in the classroom. These are the guys I look to for weapons training. I want to learn from a guy who has carried a gun for a living, who had developed a skill set because his life depended on it. In my experience this is the one who can teach you what really works, not just what looks neat. Ok, rant off. I apologize, I had a little caffeine, and this is what happened.
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    So after enough crap, looks like they pulled the video, thanks for the liveleak rehost. I hadn't had a chance to show my head boss who is the one who'd need to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-Boy View Post
    It's interesting to me to see some of the responses in this thread. I think there are at least a couple of points worth addressing...
    Quote Originally Posted by dan512 View Post
    I think the problems in the original video have been pretty well covered. However, I believe the root of the problem is people teaching over their head. ..
    +1 on both of these.

    Again, my point was, and still is; a preponderance of arm-chair rangers are commenting on this video with zero to little training on this subject matter. Those who are humble enough to know what they are talking about, or ready to learn of a subject matter and willing to rely on those who do, are clearly evident after I made my comment.

    And please allow me to clarify, I give these guys a 1 out of 10 on my respect factor, because they are still conducting ignorant/stupid acts (ref: my brain bucket comment & Paul Blart; and why I must state that is beyond me). The way I see it; these gentlemen may very well "chlorinate the gene pool" as one gentleman on this forum had in his signature line.

    Those who commented "fail" because they failed to understand my point, otherwise blow supposed facts/opinions out of their ass because they have watched a video, took a 1 day course , and/or feel the need to ridicule stupid people for doing stupid things on the internet = 0 respect. You are gaining nothing pretending to be something you are not, and please still feel free to pound sand...
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