DOMA/Prop 8 decisions

[spyder]

Umm for arguments sake, the second amendment is a right given to us by the constitution and bill of rights. Marriage is not a right listed in either. Can't compare the two.

I don't understand what you don't get about the basic principal, that it is just one person saying that what they want, is more important than what the other person wants? Like I said before, hiding behind something else to "prove" your point is better, is cowardness, and bullying. There is no difference. If you are the type of person to tell someone else that what you believe in is better than what they believe in (in this case), you are just like a liberal, and a hypocrite. Laws, rulings, books, and anything else someone can throw into an argument are invalid in any argument when someone is simply trying to say that bullying, is bullying, and being a hypocrite is bad.

[Irving]

It seems to me that a lot of us wish that people with differing view points, could be turned toward our own view points. An example would be, instead of arguing with, and alienating a liberal, take them shooting.

With gays wanting to marry, they are looking at something everyone else has, and they want in as well, but people are telling them no. Having people with more in common, makes further debate on other decisions easier in the future. So when that liberal asks to be educated about guns and to go shooting with you, do you tell them no, or tell them yes?

I guess, what is the point of ostracizing people for being different, but preventing them from being as similar to you as possible?

[spyder]

It seems to me that a lot of us wish that people with differing view points wish that those people could be turned toward our own view points. An example would be, instead of arguing with, and alienating a liberal take them shooting.

With gays wanting to marry, they are looking at something everyone else has, and they want in as well, but people are telling them no. Having people with more in common, makes further debate on other decisions easier in the future. So when that liberal asks to be educated about guns and to go shooting with you, do you tell them no, or tell them yes?

I guess, what is the point of ostracizing people for being different, but preventing them from being as similar to you as possible?

GOD DAMNIT STUVING!!!!! How many time have I told you to keep your good arguments out of shit! DAMNIT!!!!!

[Madeinhb]

I don't understand what you don't get about the basic principal, that it is just one person saying that what they want, is more important than what the other person wants? Like I said before, hiding behind something else to "prove" your point is better, is cowardness, and bullying. There is no difference. If you are the type of person to tell someone else that what you believe in is better than what they believe in (in this case), you are just like a liberal, and a hypocrite. Laws, rulings, books, and anything else someone can throw into an argument are invalid in any argument when someone is simply trying to say that bullying, is bullying, and being a hypocrite is bad.

You haven't read my posts much as I've stated I can care less. I don't want big government middling in my life. Like I've said, they argument isn't over rights it's over the word marriage. What don't you understand about that. I'm not saying whether its right or wrong. What I'm saying is many religious people say they can have a civil union which would grant gays the same rights as straights.

They are all arguing over a definition of the word Marriage that is all. No one is talking about not letting them have rights to healthcare, tax adjustments, etc.

[Madeinhb]

I don't understand what you don't get about the basic principal, that it is just one person saying that what they want, is more important than what the other person wants? Like I said before, hiding behind something else to "prove" your point is better, is cowardness, and bullying. There is no difference. If you are the type of person to tell someone else that what you believe in is better than what they believe in (in this case), you are just like a liberal, and a hypocrite. Laws, rulings, books, and anything else someone can throw into an argument are invalid in any argument when someone is simply trying to say that bullying, is bullying, and being a hypocrite is bad.

Cowardess and bullying? You're a moron. In order to have an opinion, you have to have something to justify that opinion. Because you don't agree with it, that's bullying? Wow. I guess a lot of defense attorneys are bully's by trying to make their rape, murderer clients look innocent.

[spyder]

You haven't read my posts much as I've stated I can care less. I don't want big government middling in my life. Like I've said, they argument isn't over rights it's over the word marriage. What don't you understand about that. I'm not saying whether its right or wrong. What I'm saying is many religious people say they can have a civil union which would grant gays the same rights as straights.

They are all arguing over a definition of the word Marriage that is all. No one is talking about not letting them have rights to healthcare, tax adjustments, etc.

So, one is trying to impose on the other still? Hmmm... yep, I just don't get it.......

[spyder]

It's ok to not agree with someone, but to force your beliefs upon the other person is bullying. Sorry if you couldn't understand that. ....but I'm the moron.....

[Jumpstart]

With gays wanting to marry, they are looking at something everyone else has, and they want in as well, but people are telling them no.

I guess, what is the point of ostracizing people for being different, but preventing them from being as similar to you as possible?

Well homosexuals HAVE what everyone else has already, and if you don't want to ostracize people (based on your statement above) then polygamists, child marriages, marriages with animals etc. is ok with you right?

[Jumpstart]

It's ok to not agree with someone, but to force your beliefs upon the other person is bullying. Sorry if you couldn't understand that. ....but I'm the moron.....

You are aware that homosexual agenda is being bullied on children in schools, students in universities, workers in federal jobs etc., as we speak?

[Madeinhb]

You are aware that homosexual agenda is being bullied on children in schools, students in universities, workers in federal jobs etc., as we speak?

But according to him it's ok if they are doing it.