Spikes Tactical - Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sale

[jhood001]

Making exceptions for government does only one thing which is make even more exceptions for government.

You're right, Ronin - They need and have a right to the things that have been restricted. So do we. No more exceptions.

[newracer]

Many manufactures will sell to individual LEOs as a private sale but they will not sell to departments.

[scratchy]

I'm with the no exceptions crowd. LEO's are civilians, i.e. not "combatants". Period. They and the rest of the citizenry should have access to the same type and
capacity of weapons.

Edit: Some definitions of civilian exclude police and firefighting forces. I imagine that also removes the civilian protected status under the laws of warfare.

[spqrzilla]

Sir Robert Peel's Seventh Principle of Policing:

"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

I seem to be posting that one a lot recently ...

[mcjhr]

I look at it this way. The legislature used Aurora incident as a need to BAN things, which is a negative(taking away). As of late thats what they do. Why do they do this? Because they are not smart enough to think of a way to make a positive(giving) impact with this. When you look at the case its not someone who got up one day and decided to do something totally evil. There was a build up to that moment, he schemed and planned his attack. There were red flags and no one with authority seemed to care. Maybe they shouldve banned incompetence instead. Banning a tool doesnt help anything there are plenty of destructive tools (or everyday things that can be made lethal ie Boston). These laws were only voted in for sympathy, as a result they greatly infringed upon all of colorado. What was done that night was downright evil and I applaud the LEO for saving peoples lives AND risking their own to get ppl to medical attention.

Fight the crazies, not the gun owners.

I also believe that having a job that puts your life in danger doesnt make you eligible for things that others cant. Lots of jobs are dangerous, should we let those people do things others can't. I trimmed tress for a while and had to be in a tree with a chainsaw. It was very hard work and I liked having a few beers when I got home. Since my job is hard and dangerous shouldnt I have the right to drive above the legal BAC or have a different BAC level for the work I do?....No. (albeit a skewed analogy it represents the same thing)

Bottom line is LEO are not combatants, they are civilian officers. They do not get any special treatment, they dont like their job or its too dangerous, quit. Thats what I did (and I do have a family to support). I say good on spikes for not selling to 2A rights infringer states. They have my support!

Ronin, I do totally see your point, but I choose to look at Spikes decision as cause and effect (action and reaction). And now that reaction is coming around to bite everyone in the butt.

p.s. I love my spikes st-15

[WETWRKS]

It seems that police tend to want to be in some sort of quasi-state. Not really government but not really common citizens. They don't want to be responsible for the laws that are passed but choose to enforce them anyways. Even when those laws go against their oath of office. They claim they are just common citizens...until they are treated that way. Call one "dude" and see how they react. See if they consider themselves a common man or if they demand respect.

They want to have access to the restricted gear and enforce laws against common citizens having that same gear but turn around and want to be considered no different from those same common citizens.

As a common citizen I am required to "know the law" but the police (whos job is to enforce the laws) isn't required to know the law.

I understand they have a tough job...but they chose that. No one forced them to take it. Chose what side you are on. Then quit demanding the benefits of being on both sides.

If you are for the common citizens...then start being verbal about the illegality of the new laws...in your precinct, to your co-workers, to your bosses, to the legislature...start making it verbal that you won't enforce these laws. Urge your co-workers to follow your example.

If you are for the government...quit crying that these companies won't sell to you. This is what you wanted.

[Hound]

Sir Robert Peel's Seventh Principle of Policing:

"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

^^^This^^^^

[cmailliard]

LEO's already have the ability to be better armed than most. Departments can purchase Full-Auto, Destructive Devices, BearCat's, etc.

Yes there is a fundamental difference between city and rural LEO's and agencies mostly due to politics.

Yes most Street Cops are Pro-2A and most Chiefs may be as well, but they generally have to fall in line with what their boss (Mayor) tells them to do. Then the street cops must do the same, it's the para-militaristic environment, the fire department is the same way. The reason you won't get the street cops complaining too much is you are not going to bite the hand that feeds you. Many police departments are vindictive and will fuck guys over for complaining, so they don't, they are happy to have a job they enjoy and may move to find a good department but at some point you can no longer do that.

Every LEO I still associate with is Pro-2A, they do their job well, they are respectful, and I trust them completely. I have known LEO's that I would not trust with a squirt gun and teaching civics to 3rd graders, but they are very few and choose not to play with them anymore.

I am 50/50 on this issue. I think LEO's are in harms way more than any non-LEO and that may warrant additional capability. I also respect a company to do what they want and enact any policy they see fit, it's their money and their company.

[Ronin13]

Many manufactures will sell to individual LEOs as a private sale but they will not sell to departments.

I can agree with this 100%. In fact, I think this would be preferential over just saying "no sales to LEOs whatsoever."

Sir Robert Peel's Seventh Principle of Policing:

"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

I seem to be posting that one a lot recently ...

THIS! That's one great quote. Kind of reminds me of what we used to tell our line units before going on mission- "Everyone is an intel soldier, just because you don't analyze and develop intel doesn't mean you aren't capable of collecting it."

[Rabid]

I can agree with this 100%. In fact, I think this would be preferential over just saying "no sales to LEOs whatsoever."

THIS! That's one great quote. Kind of reminds me of what we used to tell our line units before going on mission- "Everyone is an intel soldier, just because you don't analyze and develop intel doesn't mean you aren't capable of collecting it."

Not trying to be confrontational just trying to understand your position. How is it in one breath you say the LEOs should be better armed then the public and in another you agree that the LEOs are nothing more then the public?