A&E suspends Phil Robertson over his personal beliefs about homosexuals.

[Zundfolge]

I would argue people appear to be more upset over this than Obamacare. Obamacare effects them directly, this is just a TV show produced by one of the Regime propaganda networks. Am I supposed to be surprised? Are you surprised?

I think this goes beyond the TV show ... I think people are beginning to realize that if Phil can be fired from what is essentially a money printing machine for simply expressing his belief (a belief that the majority of Americans likely agree with) then its only a matter of time before YOUR boss finds some Facebook post or comment on a news site and fires you for it or worse, some pressure group finds your posting and pressures your boss to fire you.

Yeah, that Zundfolge guy is gonna be in trouble

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I think this goes beyond the TV show ... I think people are beginning to realize that if Phil can be fired from what is essentially a money printing machine for simply expressing his belief (a belief that the majority of Americans likely agree with) then its only a matter of time before YOUR boss finds some Facebook post or comment on a news site and fires you for it or worse, some pressure group finds your posting and pressures your boss to fire you.

Yeah, that Zundfolge guy is gonna be in trouble

I hope you're right about this, it at least shows some thought and consideration. Being fired for what I say is the least of my worries right now. I try to keep the little things in perspective with the big things.

[blacklabel]

I just find it hilarious that the line is being drawn here for so many Americans.

Is a line really being drawn or are people just acting upset on message boards and Facebook? Its the non pc outcry version of security theater.

[Bailey Guns]

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

I believe that to be a true statement and I believe that's how the left controls the debate on many issues.

I've never watched DD...with the exception of maybe 1/2 an episode. It just didn't catch my interest and this whole controversy, aside from some of the aspects of fundamental differences between the left and the right, means nothing to me.

But having read every post here there's something I find troubling with a lot of members here, sort of on topic, sort of off topic.

Everyone pretty much knows that in general liberals are masters of hypocrisy. So why is it surprising that A&E would say, "We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty," and then "fire" the guy? Liberals say they're all for tolerance and diversity and individuality and all that other happy horseshit until it's actually time to be tolerant of diversity and individuality. By their own admission his personal beliefs, which he disclosed to another media organization, have never been reflected or been a problem on the series they produce. Yet they fire him for it. Stupid, in my opinion, but that's their prerogative.

What I find troubling and hypocritical with so many members here is they basically do the same thing regarding conservative politicians.

A conservative politician can come out and say the same thing: he/she is against abortion, homosexuality and/or gay marriage or whatever, he/she believes that way for religious reasons and those are their personal feelings. But having those beliefs, they say,
will not enter into the way they want to legislate or govern, or perhaps they say they hold those personal beliefs but don't believe the gov't has any business legislating those things.

When a conservative politician says those things they are lambasted on this forum as bible thumpers who need to get of people's bedrooms and let a woman choose what's right for her, etc., yet they'll defend to the end a guy like Phil Robertson saying it even when it hasn't impacted the series he's being fired from.

I find it very hypocritical. Which brings me back to the Rick Warren statement above. Why can't a person, whether they're a truck driver, mailman or politician or whatever, believe that way as long as it doesn't affect the way they do their job?

So many of you seem to want to buy into the "pro-choice" argument liberals are always talking about when you know full well that "choice" is always defined on their terms...you're "choice" is only to believe what they believe whether it's abortion, homosexuality, gay marriage or anything else. Frankly, I'd rather have someone tell me truth where they stand on an issue, even if I disagree with it, than lie to me.

Not directed at anyone in general, just some personal observations and my 2 cents worth.

[<MADDOG>]

Bailey, what you state rings 100% true IMO.

I'll even go further as to board members here will begin the name calling quite quickly; hence the locked threads...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Yep ... I'm tired of all this PC bullshit and the "gay mafia" (a term coined by gays btw)

I suspect that Phil's family will stand behind him, but if they let A&E "fire" him and they bow to pressure from leftist/gay pressure groups then they don't deserve their success.

Bear in mind Willie seems to be a pretty smart businessman regardless of how he lets himself be portrayed on TV. I'm sure they have various contractual obligations after the latest renewal so the smart play for him is to make A&E cut the cord rather than have the family cut the cord. That keeps A&E from suing them for contractual breach and preserves their options.

Can you imagine next season if the whole family keeps talking about Phil even if he's never on camera? For that matter, they can structure the whole next set of filming around Phil's point about not having to agree with other people but letting the Almighty sort things out. Hell, I bet they can even slide in Si quoting Phil in a way that will make A&E look like even bigger shits if they react.

[davsel]

I've often wondered about this phrase, and recently found an answer I can relate to on an unlikely site:

http://voices.yahoo.com/is-hate-sin-...-11482486.html








THIS IS JUST SOMEONE'S (MY) BELIEF - BAN ME IF YOU WILL

[Zundfolge]

Bear in mind Willie seems to be a pretty smart businessman regardless of how he lets himself be portrayed on TV. I'm sure they have various contractual obligations after the latest renewal so the smart play for him is to make A&E cut the cord rather than have the family cut the cord. That keeps A&E from suing them for contractual breach and preserves their options.

Back when A&E tried to censor their prayers and references to Jesus out of the show, they said put 'em back or we walk ... so I'm guessing they have a contract that allows them to shut down the show for any reason.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Back when A&E tried to censor their prayers and references to Jesus out of the show, they said put 'em back or we walk ... so I'm guessing they have a contract that allows them to shut down the show for any reason.

Nah, they probably have a contractual obligation to deliver a certain number of shows. The previous attempt to censor them occurred as they were negotiating the new contract for this season so they had the ability to just not sign a new contract. It's the same reason the "Deadliest Catch" captains were able to push Discovery Channel into a what they felt was a fairer arrangement -- they were in-between contracts and had the option to just walk.

[Ronin13]

They may not have violated them, but they sure as heck censured him for expressing them.

An individual, company, corporation, etc. cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights- only the government. Just FYI.

Glenn Beck stated this morning that he would be honored if the Robertson clan wanted to leave A&E and come over to The Blaze. I doubt it would happen, but yeah, good on him. I read the GQ article, it was poorly written by a journalist I have very little respect for. He trash talked Phil a few times, and his colorful use of language just detracted from his professionalism. I have to say it, after being exposed to Phil and his family, it does prove to me that I would be happier if I got a little closer to Jesus. I stand with Phil. He is absolutely right in everything he says... Shoot, I might just have to take a trip down to Monroe and get some of his preaching 1st hand!