Quote Originally Posted by spqrzilla View Post
The plaintiffs still have to actually prove to a jury that the event was foreseeable.
It was absolutely forseeable, the only question was propability of occurance (pretty low).

It seems to me however that many of the arguments here seem to be based on the premise that posession of a firearm on a no-guns property is automatically a violation of the owners property rights, and in my opinion that would only be the case for open carry or accidental exposure, and failure to leave when requested.

No one has the right to deprive anyone else of their natural rights, but they can and should be able to choose who to do business with. Walk in with a rifle or open carry sidearm, and just like with "no shirt/shoes - no service", if the property owner isn't confortable with that, they have every right to ask you to leave.

On the other hand, if that property owner allows me on his premises for any reason (business or otherwise), that still doesnt give them the right to search my pockets/property without violating yet more rights (and that pesky old constitution thingy that keeps getting in the way for some), and just like the contents of my wallet or pockets, as long as it stays there, and there's no xray/detector or law being violated, its none of their damn business what I have on my person.....