Judge gives the OK for victims to sue century theater

[Aloha_Shooter]

It seems to me however that many of the arguments here seem to be based on the premise that posession of a firearm on a no-guns property is automatically a violation of the owners property rights, and in my opinion that would only be the case for open carry or accidental exposure, and failure to leave when requested.

If the property owner says "no open display of firearms" then yes, open carry would violate his/her rights while concealed carry would not but if s/he simply says "no firearms" then even concealed carry is violating his/her wishes. Realistically, you're not committing a crime until you refuse to leave if/when requested but you ARE violating his/her property rights.

No one has the right to deprive anyone else of their natural rights, but they can and should be able to choose who to do business with. Walk in with a rifle or open carry sidearm, and just like with "no shirt/shoes - no service", if the property owner isn't confortable with that, they have every right to ask you to leave.

They are not depriving us of our rights when presence on that property is completely voluntary, we are choosing to forgo those rights in order to enjoy their facilities.

On the other hand, if that property owner allows me on his premises for any reason (business or otherwise), that still doesnt give them the right to search my pockets/property without violating yet more rights (and that pesky old constitution thingy that keeps getting in the way for some), and just like the contents of my wallet or pockets, as long as it stays there, and there's no xray/detector or law being violated, its none of their damn business what I have on my person.....

Yes, they can't search you without your consent but that doesn't give you carte blanche to carry on their property just because you're concealed.

One of the tenets of Civil Disobedience is being willing to suffer the consequences of your disobedience. I would be willing to suffer the consequences of being asked to leave if I were to (hypothetically speaking) carry concealed at the Cinemark IMAX theater and my pistol was somehow discovered but the fact I was carrying concealed wouldn't mean I wasn't violating their property rights.