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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    I'm not one who believes that a flood of immigrants (legal or otherwise) makes this a better nation. I'm sorry, but I don't.
    Are you a native american indian? If not, then aren't you being more than a tad hypocritical here?

    Also, have you studied American history? Are you aware of the term "culutural melting pot"?

    Do you know how many people live in China, India, Brazil, Phillipines? And how many live here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    Are you a native american indian? If not, then aren't you being more than a tad hypocritical here?

    Also, have you studied American history? Are you aware of the term "culutural melting pot"?

    Do you know how many people live in China, India, Brazil, Phillipines? And how many live here?
    No, I'm not a Native American, and no, I don't think I am being hypocritical. Yes, I've studied (and continue to study) American history. Are YOU aware that the phrase cultural melting pot / melting pot actually has it's origins in the first decade of the 20th Century - more than 100 years ago?

    Do I know how many people live in the various nations you listed and how many live here? Not EXACTLY, but I've seen the numbers for all of those nations in the last year or two. Do you know what nation has the highest infection rate for HIV (KwaZulu-Natal) and what nation has the highest household income per capita (Luxembourg)? Who cares? My arguement isn't based on HOW MANY people we have, it's based on a variety of issues such as what value the people add. Sure, we have a HUGE group of citizens who don't add any value whatsoever - that's a whole separate issue.

    What is the point of allowing immigration? Is it to add to our value as a nation? Is it to give a break to someone less fortunate than ourselves?
    Is it just because it's the morally right thing to do? I'm not buying any of it.

    There is a time and a place for everything. The time for the U.S. to have a liberal immigration policy ended more than 70 years ago.

    When MY ancestors immigrated to the U.S. and when so many other individuals came from Europe, Asia (predominantly China), and South America during the height of our immigrant rush, we were in the infancy of our growth as a nation. We had so many emerging industries and not nearly enough people to fill all of the available positions. We had huge expanses of land that our national policy said we needed to spread out into. It was determined that it was in our best interest to have a liberal immigration policy. We were also in a respectable position to be able to handle the masses of individuals fleeing their home nations. None of these circumstances exists today.

    We have far too many issues within our own borders we need to resolve before we concern ourselves with the citizens of other nations and try to embrace their "huddled masses". We certainly don't need their "wretched refuse" of their "teeming shore".

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I COMPLETELY disagree. Have you ever driven around this state? When I first moved here, I was absolutely AMAZED that you can go for MILES down the highway and see absolutely nothing but empty land.
    Do you mean the protected open space? The protected National and State Forests? The State Parks, BLM land, etc? The U.S. loses more than 3000 acres of this "empty land" every single day - to permanent development that can never again be used as habitat for elk and most other wild game species that call Colorado home. The rate of habitat loss in the West, primarily to subdivision and development, is staggering. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, more than 3.2 million acres of Western ranchland have been carved up for other uses, mostly new neighborhoods and shopping malls, since 1982. The human population in the West is growing much faster than the national average. Now the American Farmland Trust reports that 11 percent of remaining prime ranchland—as much as 8.8 million acres of classic elk wintering range—in the Rocky Mountain states could be converted to residential development by 2020.

    Is this the lland you're referring to? Most people come to Colorado BECAUSE of that land and the condition it's in and the animals that live there. Do you propose that we develop that "empty land" for immigants? How short sighted. Personally, I'd like to believe that my gandkids will get to enjoy the wild open land that CO boasts so much of.
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