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    http://www.da5.us/2014/04/lake-count...ndled-evidence

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    Written by da5_team on April 28, 2014
    LEADVILLE, COLORADO: Former Lake County Sheriff’s Office Deputy William Berry and Sheriff’s Sergeant Jeffrey Hartman will be charged following an investigation into firearms that were mishandled after their confiscation from a defendant. Berry, who was first implicated by the investigation, will likely be charged with unlawful purchase of firearms, theft, and embezzlement of public property, all felonies, as well as unauthorized transfer of a firearm and first degree official misconduct, both misdemeanors. Hartman, who is a suspected accomplice, will likely be charged with theft, complicity with embezzlement of public property, and first degree official misconduct.

    Warrants for Berry and Hartman’s arrest were sought by a District Attorney’s Office investigator, who initiated an inquiry on request from District Attorney Bruce Brown. Brown was contacted by Lake County Undersheriff Fernando Mendoza regarding the potential theft of firearms from the county’s store of case evidence.

    Mendoza suspected criminal activity after receiving an email from a federal agent (not involved in the investigation) inquiring as to why he had not received a firearm he purchased from Berry for approximately $2,300.00 back in February. The agent stated that Berry, who had used his Lake County Sheriff email address for the transaction, had claimed the firearm, a government model 38 caliber super colt semi-automatic handgun, was confiscated from a defendant who was in the country illegally. Mendoza, who had no knowledge that a sale of a firearm had taken place, turned the case over to the District Attorney.

    The investigation, initiated on April 8, 2014, revealed that the handgun in question, along with three other firearms, was signed out to the victim of a domestic violence case on January 17, 2014. Upon an interview with the victim, it was discovered that despite the fact that her signature appeared on the Release of Evidence form, she did not obtain the firearms from the office, and had never even seen the form.

    The woman stated that she was approached by Berry about selling the weapons to him for $500.00 a few days prior to their removal from evidence. As she did not want the weapons, previously owned by her partner who has since been deported, the woman agreed, though she had some doubts about the legality of their transaction. While she stated she did sign a receipt produced by Berry, the paper only listed the sale of one gun, and it was not on letterhead. The receipt could not be located by investigators.

    Statements by another witness implicated Sergeant Hartman along with Berry, as it is alleged that Hartman, as one of only two evidence custodians with the Sheriff’s Office, assisted Berry in signing the firearms out of evidence without the presence of the owner. It is further alleged that Hartman received one of the guns, an SKS rifle, as a “thank you” for his assistance.

    Commenting on the warrants signed for Berry and Hartman, District Attorney Bruce Brown stated, “It is certainly disconcerting when cases of this matter come up, as we rely on our police officers to uphold the law and protect our communities from those who would participate in dishonest or dangerous activity. It is for this reason, though, that we hold law enforcement officers to an even higher standard, and when they fail to meet that standard, there needs to be consequences.”

    The weapons in question, which along with the handgun included two Norinco SKS semi-automatic rifles and a Marlin .22 rifle, have been recovered by the Sheriff’s Office with the help of Berry’s most recent employer, the Teller County Sheriff’s Office.

    A court date is set for advisement on June 17, 2014 at 8:30AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crays View Post
    This is more than no BGC it's about blatant theft of firearms by LE. pssst wanna buy a watch.
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    The last two deals I've done, the buyer asked if a BGC was required. I have no problem with the question and both buyers had no problem meeting me at an ffl to do the bgc after I told them a bcg was requires. He later told me that he has traded a few firearms and he doesn't care about the current law. Btw, he was from armslist, and yes he passed the bgc.
    I hope one day they reverse the law but for now it's too easy to pay the transfer fee and $10 for CBI. I do find it funny that in a few months I'll be moving to a state where you can private party transfer rifles but not handguns.

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    Reading these posts make me sad at the smugness and even "turn in your neighbor" approach some people have to the 2013 gun control grab. They have no affect on paper, but they certainly work the "control" aspect of gun control, on ourselves.

    A true liberal has no regard for law, thinking that driving without a driver's license, doing drugs, theft, etc. is perfectly acceptable unless you get caught. In this way we are made to police ourselves. We believe in the rule of law, whereas they do not and believe such laws do not apply and only apply to "bad people".

    I hope we can initiate a change this November 4th and perhaps even roll back the clock.

    Personally, I've done several no background check transfers (like the "old ways") since July 2013. Two of which were with deputies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post

    Personally, I've done several no background check transfers (like the "old ways") since July 2013. Two of which were with deputies.
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    My final point being, yes it's the law. Yes we want to follow the law. However, since it wasn't so long ago that we were participating in actions that are now illegal, maybe we shouldn't be all "alert the mods to the infraction" this or "illegitimate buyer" that. If you require a background check, inform the buyer/seller of that. If that's a problem, move on. Trust your gut just like before, if someone is fishy don't do it regardless. Being militant one way or the other doesn't help anything.

    It's not so long ago (2009) that I was fresh-faced from New York and was all confused and panicked when someone in Colorado didn't want to do a bill of sale. To the point where someone found my post on another forum and was publicly embarrassed for it by multiple forum members. Now it seems to be the opposite.
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    Here is my analogy:

    This board is someone else's house. If it were my house and one of many guests was violating the law, I would appreciate having another guest informing me of the facts rather than be informed by the officers at my door with a search warrant.

    Maybe the guest violating the law is my crazy Uncle Johnny and I already know he routinely violates the law. I thank the guest for letting me know and I move on because no one is going to stop crazy Uncle Johnny and I like him too much to not invite him.

    Maybe the guest is someone I've never met before and what they are doing in my home is offensive to my conscience, I thank the guest who notified me, and I politely ask the offending guest to leave.

    My home my rules. The boards rules are pretty clear. No conduct of an illegal nature. As a guest, I feel compelled to notify the host and then let the host deal with it.

    Just my opinion. I would assume others do as their conscience leads them.

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    What litigation do you deal with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    My final point being, yes it's the law. Yes we want to follow the law. However, since it wasn't so long ago that we were participating in actions that are now illegal, maybe we shouldn't be all "alert the mods to the infraction" this or "illegitimate buyer" that. If you require a background check, inform the buyer/seller of that. If that's a problem, move on. Trust your gut just like before, if someone is fishy don't do it regardless. Being militant one way or the other doesn't help anything.

    It's not so long ago (2009) that I was fresh-faced from New York
    and was all confused and panicked when someone in Colorado didn't want to do a bill of sale. To the point where someone found my post on another forum and was publicly embarrassed for it by multiple forum members. Now it seems to be the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    Ours. I'm not an attorney so I can't represent others. Careful as to the extent I clarify, but right now (active), civil litigation in Federal in the Colorado District, State District Court in Fremont County, State District in Mesa County, bankruptcy (as a creditor) in the Co District, and other issues - beyond that I can clarify with a PM. Opposition in some of those nicknamed me "the paper terrorist" for good reason - doesn't matter who they hire or how many, it seems to be only a matter of time. Been doing that for years unfortunately, on both sides of the fence, never lost.

    I am primarily a developer - firearms sites. But I pity the fool who ever tries to sue us (this site, or me personally).

    ETA: The Federal litigation is against the Brand Inspection Division and the State Courts. We are against the Colo. Assistant attorney general. Not afraid to take on the government when it is necessary. (And one of the few that knows how to overcome qualified/sovereign immunity) Ability is there - but I'm not going to sacrifice a year of my life to fight over a subpoena here if the underlying user should have known better than to post (x) publicly. If there is good cause I will fight something to the end.
    That's all to do with the site?

    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    You've got to be an Upstater. No sane metro area new yawker would admit to ANYTHING, vocally, paper or print.
    Western NY actually. I've been here 5 years so I get a NATIVE sticker with my license renewal right?
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