Now THIS is what I'd like to see in the future

[Jer]

I try to put in my 2 cents knowing it will not be popular in this GI Joe club. And I'll usually leave it and not respond to the onslaught of flames.

Lesson learned. I won't add my two cents to a conversation anymore for fear that someone will take offense and lash out at me in retaliation. Eesh.

[KFinn]

I agree that in some/many cases we could do with less safety regs!

Personally I don't want/need Traction control, Stability control, this crap that crap and on some vehicles I don't even want ABS. Or at least give me the option to disable it completely. There are cases/environments/conditions where I want to control the car, not the car controlling me. We as a soceity need to stop fixing problems with rules or technology bandaids and correct the problem at the source. LIke making people better fucking drivers! we don't need to put in new stop light turn signal variations like they did outside my neighborhood. Its Retarded!

I don't have a problem with having technological feats and features as an options but having them become law or regulations is bullshit IMO.n

Addiontionally as a generic comment for any topic; We could do with less regulations! Period! the end.

[ronaldrwl]

It is getting ridiculous. Sings warning that a sign is up ahead. We must be a rich nation just looking for ways to spend our extra money.

[sniper7]

You, like most people, fail to factor in the amount of power that those trucks have versus what they have now.

here is where you were condescending and called me out personally attaching me to a group of ill informed consumers

please don't assume that I fail to grasp anything as that isn't the case.

my reaction

Your statement was absolute and devoid of the facts I mentioned. I'm only operated based on the things you say here.

you never read my full initial post as I said there were other factors

I also own a new truck so I KNOW the amount of extra power they produce. I did mention that other factors were in there such as weight, emissions and safety etc.
to say I fail to grasp a concept is a very bold statement.

either way, no need to be condescending to someone on here. I expect a little respect

I let it go here, made my point to not be such a dick to people on this site.

I wasn't condescending at all. If that's how you read it then that's how you read it but no reason to lash out at me for a factual and non emotional reply.

there was no reason for you to say I fail to factor something in....

still awaiting that apology.

[Jer]

I agree that in some/many cases we could do with less safety regs!

Personally I don't want/need Traction control, Stability control, this crap that crap and on some vehicles I don't even want ABS. Or at least give me the option to disable it completely. There are cases/environments/conditions where I want to control the car, not the car controlling me. We as a soceity need to stop fixing problems with rules or technology bandaids and correct the problem at the source. LIke making people better fucking drivers! we don't need to put in new stop light turn signal variations like they did outside my neighborhood. Its Retarded!

I don't have a problem with having technological feats and features as an options but having them become law or regulations is bullshit IMO.n

Addiontionally as a generic comment for any topic; We could do with less regulations! Period! the end.

I tend to agree with this statement as a whole. Laws to protect people from themselves only serves to see to it that the less intelligent have the ability to further cloud the gene pool and dumb down society even further. I always told the wife if we have kids we're having no less than seven because I plan to child proof nothing. Let the dumb ones weed themselves out and by adulthood the surviving offspring will be the smartest and strongest... that's doing our part for society.

[sniper7]

It is getting ridiculous. Sings warning that a sign is up ahead. We must be a rich nation just looking for ways to spend our extra money.

I think we are more in a downward spiral. a lot of warnings are developed in CA. you go there and you see warning signs posted on everything. especially about products that contain materials that have been know to cause cancer and birth defects.
every gun store I have even been to in CA had at least one large sign saying that.

Someone has/had a signature line here that says something along the effect of taking away all the warning signs and letting mother nature take its course.

[ronaldrwl]

I think we are more in a downward spiral. a lot of warnings are developed in CA. you go there and you see warning signs posted on everything. especially about products that contain materials that have been know to cause cancer and birth defects.
every gun store I have even been to in CA had at least one large sign saying that.

Someone has/had a signature line here that says something along the effect of taking away all the warning signs and letting mother nature take its course.

That is reminds me. The last time I was in Calif a restaurant we were eating at had a sign that said something about cancer and chemicals. I asked the staff about the sign and nobody knew what the warning was for. They just like to post signs in Calif.

[Irving]

Has anyone ever wondered exactly how many toddlers have drown in a 5 gallon bucket before that warning sticker got put on there?

[sniper7]

Has anyone ever wondered exactly how many toddlers have drown in a 5 gallon bucket before that warning sticker got put on there?

that and how many actually have been tangled in blinds and eventually chocked to death.

[Jer]

I let it go and you just keep on going....

(see how I did that? Just like you supposedly let it go too)

I let it go here, made my point to not be such a dick to people on this site.

You falsely called me a dick and wanted me to let it go? Really?!? Would you just let it go if I called you something you weren't? I highly doubt that. It's passive aggressive to say you're letting it go while backhanding me in the same statements.

there was no reason for you to say I fail to factor something in....

Since this appears to be the antithesis of your argument and where you state this began going wrong would you be satisfied in letting this all go to know that if this was wrong your entire rant is for not? My statement is that you failed to factor in power increases in your claim that the oil companies were paying off the manufacturers to keep the fuel economy down you failed to factor in increased power over the years. So, if you did indeed fail to factor this in (still waiting for you to quote where you did factor that in to prove me wrong) then how was I wrong again? Where did you factor this in?

If you're going to spout some bullshit conspiracy theory you better be prepared to back it up with fact when someone calls you out on your far fetched parroted information.

still awaiting that apology.

You'll be waiting a while and in fact I think it's you who owes this forum and all if it's members an apology for running this thread so far off track because you can't accept that I stated you failed to mention something... which you clearly did. If you feel that offended that you require an apology I suggest you quit the world wide web. It's not for you.

With that, I am done with this whole thing. Anyone who reads at the elementary level can see for themselves what occurred here so I have no desire to waste any more time on it.