Well-known Douglas-area rancher is found slain

[Irving]

There are b/t 12 and 40 million illegals here in this county. It would be impossible to send them all back but to give them all amnesty is a slap in the face to the people who immigrated here legally.

Where do we draw the line? When do we start prosecuting the people who give illegals jobs, when do we say "ENOUGH!"? How many more Krentz', Young's, Kudlis', Guntharp's, and Serecky's need to happen before we do something? Will your loved one be next, with all my heart I hope not.

I'm at "ENOUGH!" now and have been for quite some time, I'm just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up.

This is a post I can agree with. I took out the medical treatment part because denying people who can't prove their identity while they are unconscious and bleeding to death is retarded and would have a much greater effect on the 300 million citizens we have long before any illegals were effected by it.

[Irving]

He didn't help them across the border, they already made it across. I'm not a fan of illegals, but giving someone water who is fresh across the border is about the same as some one is 1 day late paying their taxes. No one is having sympathy for any illegals here. People are upset that someone who was a good enough person to give his own resources to someone in need got killed for it. Charity is a wonderful thing when it is given willingly. I fear that people get so wrapped up in trying to prevent our government from taking hold of their income/land/business/possessions, that they forget that it is perfectly acceptable, no honorable, to give to others of your own will.

I'll cheers glasses with you all night about drug testing people on unemployment, and the government getting their goddamn hands out of my pocket and freely passing out MY money to things I don't support, but you're blurring the lines here and forgetting that this is a person acting of his free will. You hear people say all the time some variation of, "I don't agree with your opinion, but I'll die fighting to allow you to have it." This is just an extension of that same principle.

[sniper7]

He didn't help them across the border, they already made it across. I'm not a fan of illegals, but giving someone water who is fresh across the border is about the same as some one is 1 day late paying their taxes. No one is having sympathy for any illegals here. People are upset that someone who was a good enough person to give his own resources to someone in need got killed for it. Charity is a wonderful thing when it is given willingly. I fear that people get so wrapped up in trying to prevent our government from taking hold of their income/land/business/possessions, that they forget that it is perfectly acceptable, no honorable, to give to others of your own will.

I'll cheers glasses with you all night about drug testing people on unemployment, and the government getting their goddamn hands out of my pocket and freely passing out MY money to things I don't support, but you're blurring the lines here and forgetting that this is a person acting of his free will. You hear people say all the time some variation of, "I don't agree with your opinion, but I'll die fighting to allow you to have it." This is just an extension of that same principle.

if he had done the right thing and called the INS word would have spread not to come across his land and he would probably be alive to this day.
I am all for helping people out, but when I know they are fucking me as soon as they continue on their way (that is if they don't steal any of my shit) then i have an issue with offering help to begin with.

it would be like your bank asking you for donations to help it stay afloat, then they receive a massive bailout with your tax dollars...

The guy did what he wanted, and that is his own choice to give food and water to people, but when those same people are eventually going to cost me tax dollars, cost me more money out of my pocket for healthcare, vehicle insurance etc. etc. then i draw the line. he knowingly helped ILLEGAL immigrants into this country. for that I have no sympathy for him.

[Irving]

I swear I've had this conversation on another site a few years ago about this same guy. Realistically, what's he going to do? He can't shoot at them without risking his own safety and freedom. He can call the INS but they'll be long gone before INS gets there. They are going to take the water anyway.

[sniper7]

I swear I've had this conversation on another site a few years ago about this same guy. Realistically, what's he going to do? He can't shoot at them without risking his own safety and freedom. He can call the INS but they'll be long gone before INS gets there. They are going to take the water anyway.

it isn't just water. it also said he gave them food, he turned the other way, and look what it got him...dead.

this was texas correct....me:

[sniper7]

Tancredo said he and Krentz were friends and that he was "a mild-mannered guy" who was known for providing illegal immigrants with food and water.
Tancredo and Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, said Krentz phoned a family member Saturday afternoon to say he was out near his watering hole, providing one or more illegal immigrants with aid.
That's the last his family heard from him, Simcox and Tancredo said.
"He looked the other way so often," Tancredo said. "It's so ironic that he, of all people, got murdered."



red: he did this a lot...enough that I am sure word got around, illegals knew he would help, he wouldn't call on them, they would have a resting point to get water, fill up on a minimal amount of supplies, even if it were just lunch and go on their way.

blue: I do not find it ironic at all. it was just a matter of time.

[SA Friday]

I don't know if he did anything more than assisted people transversing a desert with food and water so they wouldn't die. Yep, he may have done it multiple times too. Good for him.

Show me evidence he committed a crime worse than caring for another human being and I might change my mind, but until then I'm real comfortable not labeling this guy worthy of being gunned down.

Comparing what he did, although it may be a crime by some definition, to a rapist, murderer, or any other violent offender is too faulty to be considered a logical arguement. A few have been quick to conjure images of him assisting drug cartels and the such. Try conjuring up an image of him the first time he found someone dying of thirst on his property and he couldn't save them. It's just as valid with the provided information. Watch someone die with empathy, and let me know just how bloodthirsty you still are.

I've said it before on this issue and I'll say it again. I'm pretty torn about the illegal immigration issue, but I'm not so torn I would wish death to those trying to get into this country without malice. I'm damned sure not confused about not justifying homicide on a man who's giving food and water to starved and dehydrated people.

[Colorado Luckydog]

I have to wonder if they were paying him to cross through his ranch?

[roberth]

This is a post I can agree with. I took out the medical treatment part because denying people who can't prove their identity while they are unconscious and bleeding to death is retarded and would have a much greater effect on the 300 million citizens we have long before any illegals were effected by it.

I can understand that single aspect.

We need to stop rewarding bad behavior, until we cease granting the rewards they won't stop coming.

Illegals come and stay because of the free ride, not because they can contribute to our society. The new illegal is not the illegal of the early 20th century, the new illegal is a parasite plain and simple.

Will it take the commission of a violent crime upon a loved one to change most people's minds? Yes it will and then it will be too late for them.

[sniper7]

This thread may be going in a bad direction....

Sorry folks, but don't be pissing on the grave of a guy that was murdered by no true fault of his own. Show some respect. Do you also try to berate the victims of rape saying "they were asking for it?".

And for cryn out loud. Giving water to a person is not assisting illegal immigration. Person is already across the damn border. If they die in the desert, I'm guessing many of you would be extremely pleased, but sorry to say - it's a human life we are talking about. Illegal immigration is a crime, they are criminals, and they should be treated as such. Nowhere in America however, is illegal immigration (in itself) a crime punishable by death. So what justification do you have for wishing death as a punishment for the crime?

If you want to blame immigration issues, look towards the government. An old guy that doesn't want people to die on his property is not the cause, on any level.

Do you berate everybody who goes overseas to help people because "those" people are not worth helping? Red Cross, Missionaries.. our floating hospitals? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I'm in the company of people.

I'm not trying to take it in a bad direction and I don't wish death upon anyone. I am sorry if it came off that way.

I am all for helping others and giving in a time of need and I do plenty of that myself, but I also see these people as criminals in the beginning, many of which could also be drug smugglers and/or gun smugglers (which we all know what ammo that gives to the media to hurt OUR rights) or future rapists, murderers, thieves etc.

I see this guy as an enabler. I don't condone him for giving people water since they are in fact people, but he never called the authorities. Maybe he felt sorry for them and was sympathetic to their quest for a better life which is also understandable, but if my quest for a better life was to rob a bank and not hurt anyone in the process I don't think that would go over so well. (and that is a pretty good analogy except it is our government that robs from us and gives to the illegals through various aspects, systems and programs).