SCOTUS: Cops can't force you to wait for K9

[cstone]

Real funny. This "experience" cost me 1,600 in paint repairs. So yuk it up boys.

No one said that your experience was funny.

Did you report the incident involving damage of your vehicle to the police department? To your insurance company? What did the K9 officer say when you pointed out the damage he had caused?

I never liked hitting doors with a ram because regardless of the results, someone had to wait at the un-useable door until the door could be fixed or secured. My supervisors were never pleasant about paying $1000+ to fix doors.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Really? No one alluded to funny? As usual, I'm being portrayed as if I'm a fringe wacko, with the usual yuk yuk comments addressing my validity about any subject I respond about. 1. Would have cost me more for the lawyer to try and recover the repair costs. 2. Just had liability on that collector car. 3. "Officer" said TS buddy. And finally, No, I did not have any kind of contraband in the vehicle.

No one said that your experience was funny.

Did you report the incident involving damage of your vehicle to the police department? To your insurance company? What did the K9 officer say when you pointed out the damage he had caused?

I never liked hitting doors with a ram because regardless of the results, someone had to wait at the un-useable door until the door could be fixed or secured. My supervisors were never pleasant about paying $1000+ to fix doors.

[cstone]

Barry Cooper is an interesting character.

He has a unique perspective, but I don't believe I would take legal advice from him. YMMV

[cstone]

Really? No one alluded to funny? As usual, I'm being portrayed as if I'm a fringe wacko, with the usual yuk yuk comments addressing my validity about any subject I respond about. 1. Would have cost me more for the lawyer to try and recover the repair costs. 2. Just had liability on that collector car. 3. "Officer" said TS buddy. And finally, No, I did not have any kind of contraband in the vehicle.

IMO, you are making this a personal issue based on your one experience.

I understand from your answer that you chose not to pursue the issue and that is of course your right. Then you come here and use that one experience to discredit all (or most) use of K9s by law enforcement.

When I have been stopped and asked if I would mind my vehicle searched, I have always answered "No." When advised that they can bring a K9 to sniff around my vehicle, I tell them they should do what they believe they need to do. I then tell them that if the K9 alerts, and my vehicle is searched, and no contraband is found, I will pursue decertification of the K9 and handler until they are retrained. If anyone damages my property, and I can file a claim to obtain compensation for my damages, I do so.

We all do what we can do.

[Ronin13]

In 2006, former narcotics officer and current criminal defense expert witness, Barry Cooper, was the first to blow the whistle on drug dog false alerts. Enjoy this comprehensive study of drug dogs which includes videos of false and true alerts.

http://nevergetbusted.com/nevergetbu...ert-200-times/

There are also "studies" done to make it look like "climate change" is predominantly caused by mankind... So what? Do I take some YouTubers and potentially very biased "research" or do I go straight to the source and see if actual cops, who actually do the work and go through the training and hear it from them that they don't train false alerts. I'm well aware of Mr. Cooper, and like many in our own state, I think his love affair with pot has, ahem, clouded his judgment.

This just can't be true! Video evidence? Nah. Seems like whatever I say on this forum must be a load of crap.

Seriously, thanks for posting that.

Not everything, just this. I don't know squat about basketball, so you won't see me posting things about which teams are the best in the NBA.

No, I did not have any kind of contraband in the vehicle.

GSDs have over 2,000,000 scent receptors in their nose... sometimes, like everything else, they make mistakes or have false positives. Nothing in this world is perfect. Sorry your paint got scratched, I truly am, but don't hate me for saying this, sometimes shit happens.

[68Charger]

Barry Cooper is an interesting character.

He has a unique perspective, but I don't believe I would take legal advice from him. YMMV

He's selling a service- "Click To Hire Barry As Your K-9 Expert Witness "\
So this entire article is an ADVERTISEMENT.

Mr. Shaker- I believe you went over the top when you said "Most" K9s are trained to hit on queue...

I could counter that "Most forum reports of damage you see posted are made up"... and I'd probably be more accurate than saying Most K9 units are dirty...
are there dirty cops, and dirty K9 units? I'm sure there are- but you used "Most" in your post, which doesn't help your credibility... it seems inflammatory rather than having a civil discussion.

You decided not to do anything about the damage to your vehicle... you could have complained to the Officer's supervisor yourself without a lawyer and sought compensation from the department, even if a lawyer was involved you could recoup your legal fees...

[Great-Kazoo]

insert for levity.

[Ronin13]

IMO, you are making this a personal issue based on your one experience.

I understand from your answer that you chose not to pursue the issue and that is of course your right. Then you come here and use that one experience to discredit all (or most) use of K9s by law enforcement.

When I have been stopped and asked if I would mind my vehicle searched, I have always answered "No." When advised that they can bring a K9 to sniff around my vehicle, I tell them they should do what they believe they need to do. I then tell them that if the K9 alerts, and my vehicle is searched, and no contraband is found, I will pursue decertification of the K9 and handler until they are retrained. If anyone damages my property, and I can file a claim to obtain compensation for my damages, I do so.

We all do what we can do.

This!

[crays]

68charger beat me to it.
There will always be SOME bad cops.
Beat cops, K9 cops, specialized unit cops, detectives. Doesn't matter what their assignment is.
But, they will always be a slim minority, and there will always be an abundance of decent, hard working, honest cops.
Sorry your experience was so negative, shaker. I would hate to have to endure that myself, but I think the pushback you are getting here is due to the broad brush you are painting with in this thread.

[milwaukeeshaker]

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.