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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    The info has been out for decades. there's no way to redact it now. Besides who pays attention to those stupid gun forums , when there's serious stuff to discuss like Bruce Gender's transformation. NOW That's News.
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    On a serious note..... We're ITAR registered at work and as a supplier to OEM's the regs are fairly lax. Since all employees sign a non-disclosure / confidentiality agreement we can say much of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmg8550 View Post
    Yeah, you just posted in it.
    Actually, I didn't :P The thread where I posted was merged into this one.

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    I think we're a little off target on this issue. I think this rule change is more aimed at the right of assembly phrase in the first amendment rather than "technical data" regarding firearms. The way I see it, the administration got a black eye after the outcry at the attempt to ban 5.56 ammo. How did many of us find out about the ban? How long did it take word to spread through the shooting community? How long did it take shooters who are active in the sport to contact their representatives and have something done about it? The administration wants to shut us down. Not so we can't share reloading data or how to fix that new build that doesn't cycle, but to keep us from alerting fellow shooters as to threats to our hobby.

    If "they" can get this rammed through, they will have killed two birds with a single stone. A precedent will have been set that effectively allows for regulation of what happens on the interwebz (if not ITAR, some other law), and they can chip away at not only the Second Amendment, but any other right they wish to as well.

    BTW, I'm trying to come up with something to say to my congress critters. If anyone has any ideas, I'm open to suggestion. The sooner we start speaking our minds and letting our reps know, the better.

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    Allen B. West chimed in on this topic:

    http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/forget...st-gun-owners/

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    The result is that the Obama administration is going to assault the First Amendment in order to undermine the Second. Once again the bureaucratic regulatory state has reared its ugly head, developed a rule and posted it to the Federal Registry without the consent and knowledge of the American people, nor their Representatives. This is yet another means by which the Obama administration — aka, the liberal progressive left, is seeking to infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
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    *sigh* this whole thing is about 3D printed guns. Limit the ability to share CAD files and you limit the ability for people to print guns for themselves.

    This whole thing has zero to do with free speech, assembly, or 99.99% of what is talked about on Internet gun forums.

    Not that I agree with the proposed ruling in any way, but if we are going to fight it, then we need to fight the right fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    *sigh* this whole thing is about 3D printed guns. Limit the ability to share CAD files and you limit the ability for people to print guns for themselves.

    This whole thing has zero to do with free speech, assembly, or 99.99% of what is talked about on Internet gun forums.

    Not that I agree with the proposed ruling in any way, but if we are going to fight it, then we need to fight the right fight.
    Whats to stop any two people from trading this info buy burning it to a disk or thumb drive?
    You can't monitor that.
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    A lot less than this caused some Americans to revolt against the largest empire in the world at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAMRICO View Post
    Whats to stop any two people from trading this info buy burning it to a disk or thumb drive?
    You can't monitor that.
    The same thing that prevents people from sharing the technical details of a guidance system from a missile. Copyright and ITAR... Doesn't mean people don't do it all the time.
    What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAMRICO View Post
    Whats to stop any two people from trading this info buy burning it to a disk or thumb drive?
    You can't monitor that.
    It's not just the trading of information. It's connecting those with the information and those wishing to be informed. They may be separated by the continent or they may be next door. If they don't where the other is they can't do the exchange.
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