Require more training for CCW

[Big E3]

I believe the right to self defense is as absolute as the right to free speech. There are very few restrictions on what we can say and there should be very few restrictions our self defense. Most people that are uncomfortable or bad at handling guns will generally end up in the long run not carrying.

This training debate seems to come up frequently. Most liberals do not comprehend that concealed carry is for defense not offense, libs just can't grasp the difference. They can't get past their believe that if you carry you are looking for a fight. You will never know if I'm properly trained or not unless you happen to see me defending my life. And no I don't spend any time worrying if somebody around me that is carrying knows what they're doing, not likely to be an issue. If a situation were to occur I'm more than happy to have like minded help near by.

[Irving]

I haven't read any of the responses, so parson me if I'm merely repeating an earlier point.

Have you ever gone through job training, where they send you out to train you up on something? I've been to more than one two week course that was 8 hours a day. They are always information packed and somewhat extensive, yet each time, I find myself digesting and discarding 80-90% of what was taught in the course. This is significant because it's not like I took a CPR course, then went to my job as an accountant. This is training specific to the job, then continuing to use that same skill set everyday on the job. As always, training and actual are very different, and the real skull comes from doing.

Requiring additional training will only serve as a waste of money for the public, and creating yet another government protected and subsidized retail market. Ask a friend who has gotten a DUI what a shit show circus all the required classes and drug tests they have to go through.

Bad idea all around.

[GilpinGuy]

I think it's bullshit that it's even required to get a permit to carry concealed. Requiring training makes it even worse.

[sampson]

I think it's bullshit that it's even required to get a permit to carry concealed. Requiring training makes it even worse.

Mother may i

[hurley842002]

I'd also like to add, in the name of absolute freedom, I'll accept the risk of some moron carrying, just as I'll reject big brother keeping an eye on innocent law abiding citizens in the name of "security".

[Chief_of_Scouts]

I am opposed to mandatory training as a prerequisite to being able to carry.

I am not opposed to the local law enforcement offering a free class (once a week) to teach the laws and rules of engagement for a concealed (or open) carrier. The classes can focus on the laws as it pertains to legality of carrying in the state, when it is legal and advisable to use your weapon and what to do if you are involved in a defensive gun situation. I think it would be even more beneficial if law enforcement officers attended the same classes.

[TheGrey]

Tell an American that something is "required" and they'll feel like doing the opposite, just to let you know where they stand on the issue.

Personally speaking, the spouse and I take extra training every year, year and a half. We know where we are lacking when it comes to our education with firearms; we understand this and e do something about it. We do this because we are adults, and we also recognize the concept of personal responsibility. We also understand the consequences of being the owner of a thing that may cause injury to another if certain standards were to slip. If my eyesight is failing, I am not going to ignore the fact and keep driving a car and hope for the best, and education with firearms is along similar lines.

To have someone that does not understand those concepts suggest that training must be done at specific intervals is not only insulting (intentional or not), but they are subtly removing God-given rights by inferring that I am not responsible enough by my own reckoning. Mandatory training would not only require registration of the firearm, but it would also come with government-approved trainers. I also guarantee that government-approved trainers would come with questionnaires about mental health, emotional health, and a test given at a standardized testing facility, written by people that don't have an understanding of firearms but that do have an understanding of convoluted, governmentese-style questions that require you select the BEST answer out of the four provided...

This is a foot-in-the-door technique. It's very effective because it sounds reasonable, promotes discussion, and makes you look like an ass if you respond in a way that may seem rude. It's why this psychological technique is used by people in sales.

Firearms are more than the sum of their parts, and the opposition realizes this on some level. Guns are not just guns; they are a symbol that is proving to be like Teflon- and the left can't seem to get a grasp of them to remove, desecrate, or otherwise denigrate as they have the American flag and the American dream. Symbols drive them crazy because the more they try to destroy, regulate, attack, render unfashionable, or indoctrinate against, the stronger the symbol becomes. Their attempt at separation and segregation has backfired, as evidenced by the number of backgrounds run on Black Friday. I see any modifiers to the 2nd Amendment, well-meaning or merely phrased to sound well-intentioned, as a means to whittle away little pieces of that right. Our Constitution unifies us in these rights. In this real war against gun owners, we are Kilroy. Our strength comes in maintaining our independence of regulations and 'reasonable' rules. We can govern ourselves.

[Bailey Guns]

Voluntary training: Good. Go for it. Knock yourself out.

Mandated/Required training: No fucking way. Terrible idea. Never.

[Bailey Guns]

This topic has been cussed and discussed on this forum for years. As a matter of fact there's a "Sticky" thread on it here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/3286-Co...aining-Warning

There's a lot of heated debate from both sides in that thread. But it pretty much covers everything.

[UncleDave]

My thought is this. Mandatory training for all, especially antis, at the primary school level. I was in 6th grade when we had mandatory gun safety in my school. By making it a part of the basic education curriculum like civics used to be you remove the mystery that is easily demonized. Having said that required training to be allowed to carry is a slippery slope. Once upon a time it was required for all men and boys over 10 or so to drill regularly in many towns on the frontier (I am speaking of pre revolutionary era in places like Kentucky, Virginia, Ohio, etc), and it was considered an intrical part of a boys coming of age education. If everyone is better educated in society then weapons may come to be view as they are, tools to do a specific job. My .02