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You are the manufacturer. Whatever is in the block for name of manufacturer on the form one. So if you did it under xxx pimp daddy gun trust, Parker, CO. Then that's what's engraved on the can and should be listed in the schedule.Originally Posted by brutal
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Anyone that thinks war is good is ignorant. Anyone that thinks war isn't needed is stupid.
Have you made a DIY form1 can?
It doesn't list the applicant (the trust) in the manufacturer block, it lists
4a
FORM1 REGISTRATION, UNITED STATES
4b
SILENCER
4c
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This isn't like making an SBR. I still list the lower MFR on the schedule A for an SBR I "made."
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What does this mean for people who have yet to enter into the NFA game? I read all the posts, but don't really know what any of it means. It sounds like you have to jump through the same hoops to get a CCW (as far as photo and finger prints) for each new item. Is it correct that the concern is that sheriff departments will just blow off the requests to have the prints and photos done?
Have I missed the NFA boat until this gets cleared up?
"There are no finger prints under water."
Not a Can but...
I made a SBR from a raw 0% forging. In 4a I put my trust information. I put my trust info on my trust schedule A inventory list. The items on the Schedule A need correct information to identify what is in it. "FORM 1 REGISTRATION" doesn't properly identify that item. It needs the trust name to identify the make. That is my reasoning for the way I did it.
On a side note to your side note. Manufacturers do not send in Form 1s. You need a manufacturers license to manufacture a silencer or firearm. A individual or legal entity can make a NFA item but not manufacture one. The Form 1 is an "Application to Make and Register a Firearm". If you construct something to sell you are manufacturing it. If are making it it is for personal use. Manufacturers and Makers pay taxes differently.
The forging in my avatar is now my 9mm SBR.
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
Nobody knows for certain positive what is going to happen. The following is my opinion only. The final rule document has this in it.
"V. Final Rule
For the reasons discussed above, this final rule has been revised from the proposed rule to eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by a CLEO and instead add a CLEO notification requirement. (page 209)
Accordingly, because the law enforcement certification will no longer be required, the regulations in§§ 479.63 and 479.85 are being revised to require the applicant maker or transferee, as well as each responsible person, to provide a notice to the appropriate State or local official that an application is being submitted to ATF. (page208)" end of quote.
Earlier in the same document it says the way the notification is going to be accomplished is by have the applicants send in 2 copies of Form 5320.23 and fingerprint cards with their Forms to the ATF. The ATF will then keep one copy to conduct their background check and send the other to the CLEO to fulfil the notification requirement. Doing it this way does mean there would be no CLEO sign off required.
On the other hand I wonder what would happen if the CLEO told the ATF they don't think the applicant should be approved.
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
I guess I just don't see how the CLEO is going to have any ability to stand in the way of this process.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I tend to agree. What I have read sure looks like the CLEO signoff is gone. But I am paranoid enough to worry about it.
I had a friend that was always telling me to think positive. We'd be getting ready to go for a cruise on our bikes I'd say it looks like it might rain. She laugh and tell me to think positive. I'd turn my head and mumble something about now I am positive it's going to rain.
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
So my hopes of forming a trust and sbr'ing a rifle or two might not be dead? That's wonderful.
"There are no finger prints under water."
So this brings up an interesting question. Let's say I form a trust with only me. I get a bunch of NFA items approved via the trust.
Now at a later point in time I want to add someone to the trust. What do I do? They're already owned by the trust, therefore I can't go through another approval, which is the only way that that the ATF would have a mechanism to get fingerprints and pictures...
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YOU are the first responder. Police, fire and medical are SECOND responders.
When seconds count, the police are mere minutes away...
Gun registration is gun confiscation in slow motion.
My feedback: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/53226-O2HeN2
Of the many things I'm unclear on with regard to this . . . what is the story with the "fingerprint cards" that would be involved here? The doc refers to a "FBI Form FD-258 (fingerprint card)" along with the Form 5320.23. Is that something new that people would need to go get? We were photographed and printed as part of the process to get our CHP, so is that something that you would just need to get from the county sheriff's office to be used for the applications? If so, seems like part of the process that could be slow-walked either purposefully or just through actual volume.
Guess it will take some time to get a rundown of the key details that apply for those of us with trusts. That's a lot of text to read though.
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