Some days, there's just not enough rocks......Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Some days, there's just not enough rocks......
The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...
Gun Control - seeking a Hardware solution for a Software problem...
And, if there were, they would be trying to ban them too. For the children.
Or the Bureau of Land Management would take it to preserve it for the children
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
Not to hijack, but the ATF ruling on NFA trusts came down today too. Good and bad (bad for anyone already using a trust, but not as bad as I personally thought it would be). But certainly not a coincidence it's happening on the same day as BO's BS.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...cleo-sign-off/
Last edited by hollohas; 01-05-2016 at 07:09.
hmmm, thats interesting. i wonder if it would be worth it to transfer them to myself if cleo isn't needed. i do the llc right now because when i got the items i was in school and couldn't really afford another 400-600 on top of all the other costs to do a trust. I've thought about transferring them over to a trust since i only have two items but man, the cost to "do it right" is pretty freaking high. i have friends that made the trust themselves using the typical programs, but i also have a few gun owning lawyer friends that say its a bit of a risk to do it that way.
Amen, Forrest.
Liberals never met a slippery slope they didn't grease.
-Me
I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
-Also Me
How so?
Lessons cost money. Good ones cost lots. -Tony Beets
I think a lot of people get way too wrapped up in this, like I've been saying in every one of these threads. He is throwing red meat to his base and trying to agitate his opposition.
He has accomplished absolutely nothing with the new background check rules. It's status quo. More so for us in Colorado. The ATF can go to non-UBGC states and push their luck prosecuting an average joe for selling one/two guns a year. Good luck with that! My read of the rule puts a number of requirements on it anyway (substantial income must be derived from the activity to be considered a dealer).
The Social Security Disability rule is ridiculous but he did that in 2013. That's a great MacDonald v. Chicago case in the making; planning ahead on managing SS funds (designating a payee) does not mean you forfeit your Second Amendment rights. The AARP crowd will have to think about how they vote.
Harder to get a trust set up? Fingerprints, BGC, etc...? Okay. Anyone who has a CCW knows what that's like, so what's really lost here? No CLEO sign off is awesome for those of us living under politicians in uniform. You think they don't know who you are anyway? You voluntarily put yourself on a registry by going NFA.
He could have tried to make semi-auto and/or standard cap mags NFA. He could have tried to change the definition of a firearm. He could said "turn them in" and we would have had 6-18 months of uncertainty while people debated on the internet while Libtards fantasized about kicking in doors and shooting us in the face. Yes, people (even "educated" people in gov) actually think he has these powers.
He knew he couldn't do any of that. This is almost an admission he's a lame duck.
So fuck him, but don't let this ruin your day/week.
Absolutely. Thing is agitating the opposition to gun control is stupid for a Democrat so its either hubris on his part or he's purposely trying to prevent a Democrat (particularly Hillary) from succeeding him. As I've said before the 94 AWB hurt Gore and probably prevented him from being president. This crap is going to end up being a giant gift to Republicans and conservatives.
As I said earlier in this thread, this is about setting the ground work for selectively and politically motivated prosecutions. So we'll see them used against activists and candidates that are threats to the Democrat power base (or some poor bastard like Joe the Plumber that embarrasses a Democrat on camera).He has accomplished absolutely nothing with the new background check rules. It's status quo. More so for us in Colorado. The ATF can go to non-UBGC states and push their luck prosecuting an average joe for selling one/two guns a year. Good luck with that! My read of the rule puts a number of requirements on it anyway (substantial income must be derived from the activity to be considered a dealer).
We need to do two things. 1) revel in this because this is really the dying gasp of the gun control movement and 2) use this action to publicly agitate. Gun control is a losing prospect for Democrats and opposition to gun control is frankly greater today than even in the 1780s.He could have tried to make semi-auto and/or standard cap mags NFA. He could have tried to change the definition of a firearm. He could said "turn them in" and we would have had 6-18 months of uncertainty while people debated on the internet while Libtards fantasized about kicking in doors and shooting us in the face. Yes, people (even "educated" people in gov) actually think he has these powers.
He knew he couldn't do any of that. This is almost an admission he's a lame duck.
So fuck him, but don't let this ruin your day/week.
Don't let it ruin your day/week ... we should all be quietly thrilled that he's digging Hillary's grave.
Last edited by Zundfolge; 01-05-2016 at 10:35.
Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".
"Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
-Penn Jillette
A World Without Guns <- Great Read!
^ Agree 1,000%
On the Joe Plumber scenario... I see that being like the IRS scandals. Sure, they can try, but look at the legitimacy they loose and then the tool is taken away from them. Fact is, they could do that with anything at anytime. And if they can't find a legitimate infraction, they can make one up.
If ATF gets laughed at in courtrooms all over the country, by the jurors, what good are they? Even they know this. Doing so announces every gun owner is fair game.
Remember this asshole...
He won't be making an appearance in 2016.
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