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    The only way to win a presidential election, is to lie your ass off.

    So why doesn't somebody run for president that is truly principaled, a true American patriot, would appoint strong conservatives to the Supreme Court, would eliminate 75% of the .gov, and would sign every piece of pro-liberty legislation that came across his or her desk.

    All they have to do is pander to idiots, then once elected, make the switch. Think Trojan horse. Use Salinskys playback on them.
    We need a closet Patriot, an electable by everyone canidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jslo View Post
    These are serious questions for you "hard libertarians" (Not meant to be a bad thing). Why do you register as republicans? To influence the republican Party, of course. Don't you think it would help the cause to get the number of registered libertarians a bigger percentage of a voting block, after all, you are voting libertarian in the general right?
    Honestly, I haven't decided yet. I would happily vote for Cruz. I would consider voting for Carson. Rubio is basically a younger Jeb with bigger ears and a better fitting suit, but he serves the same political purpose. I will probably vote Libertarian if the (R) nominee ends up being Rubio, Bush, or Trump. There are a few things Trump has said that piqued my interest, but he says a lot of things to rile people up and then lacks in substance, credibility, and accountability. And then when people call him on it by stating the facts and quoting The Donald himself (in context, even), he throws a hissy fit and threatens to sue them. Surely we can do better than that. Do I like some of the things he says? Yes. Do I think he would make a decent president? ... And you thought Obama was an international embarrassment...


    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    The only way to win a presidential election, is to lie your ass off.

    So why doesn't somebody run for president that is truly principaled, a true American patriot, would appoint strong conservatives to the Supreme Court, would eliminate 75% of the .gov, and would sign every piece of pro-liberty legislation that came across his or her desk.

    All they have to do is pander to idiots, then once elected, make the switch. Think Trojan horse. Use Salinskys playback on them.
    We need a closet Patriot, an electable by everyone canidate.
    The problem with this "Trojan Horse" idea is that a principled and virtuous person simply could never get elected president, thanks in part to the way the two main parties (and the profit-seeking media) have manipulated the election process, and thanks mostly to the progressive indoctrination in schools. I would pay Trump 100% of my savings right this minute if I could somehow guarantee that he would flip a switch and become the most principled Libertarian possible once elected. ..But we all know he has a better chance of becoming the next supreme court justice than actually becoming a virtuous and principled man.
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    I don't see anyone on the R side that has earned my vote. Trump being the last on radar.

    IMO Bloomberg is going to enter, trump splits to 3rd party.
    HRC has her vaginal side kick Humia take the fall and Rome burns.
    Who ever gets elected in what again IMO will probably the lowest turn out for a presidential election. Will put Holder and Jeh (AMERICAS SAFE FROM TERRORIST) johnson on SCOTUS

    Making matters worse. There will be 2 blow hard NYC elite buffoons commandeering votes.
    Fucking anyone who actually removes their hat, puts a hand over their heart when the Flag goes by in parades, or events forever.


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    The problem with libertarianism is that most Americans just aren't up to the task of being self reliant and responsible. You start saying that people should be responsible for their own actions and take care of themselves and half the population says "WHAAAAT? F*ck that....."

    It's sad.

    Having both the Rs and the Ds acting like Santa Clause doesn't help them change their minds either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GilpinGuy View Post
    The problem with libertarianism is that most Americans just aren't up to the task of being self reliant and responsible. You start saying that people should be responsible for their own actions and take care of themselves and half the population says "WHAAAAT? F*ck that....."

    It's sad.

    Having both the Rs and the Ds acting like Santa Clause doesn't help them change their minds either.
    This is a very sad reality. Millions of people (especially millennials) would welcome a tyrannical welfare state with open arms. The good news is, there are more than 100 million of us who wouldn't welcome such a change, but as Foxtrot posted earlier, it won't happen with a bang: it is the quiet incrementalism that is killing us. Incrementalism in gun rights. Incrementalism in education. Incrementalism in economic policy. Incrementalism in Executive actions. While there will always be a small number of lazy and selfish individuals, the state has actually made it very appealing and hip to be lazy and selfish (and entitled). It will be interesting to see how this movement collides with significant geopolitical movements like Islam over the next few decades. It most certainly won't be pleasant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    The only way to win a presidential election, is to lie your ass off.

    So why doesn't somebody run for president that is truly principaled, a true American patriot, would appoint strong conservatives to the Supreme Court, would eliminate 75% of the .gov, and would sign every piece of pro-liberty legislation that came across his or her desk.

    All they have to do is pander to idiots, then once elected, make the switch. Think Trojan horse. Use Salinskys playback on them.
    We need a closet Patriot, an electable by everyone canidate.
    At this point, I don't think it would even matter if you got someone like that miraculously elected because Congress is The Establishment by its very nature. Back to electability: Ron Paul was extremely principled in my opinion, but he had zero chance because A) people don't believe his policies would stand a snowball's chance in hell against the vested interests (the establishment juggernaut consisting of 95% of the left and right) and in that they were correct, B) the media wouldn't give him the time of day (skip to 1:19 and stop when it gets to that idiot piers morgan at 2:37) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMO7YG3Ul5g

    So, in my opinion, we had the candidate you were speaking of, but he was clearly and decisively defeated and there will never be a success like that. Ted Cruz, in my opinion, is the closest thing to it and I don't think that's going to happen and he's doing amazing/awesome, far more than I ever thought he would. In fact, you can see over the past 4 years how much he's had to tone down his message and kind of blur the line between establishment and how I (perhaps naively) think he really is.
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    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231121

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    Donald Trump dramatically escalated his feud with rival Ted Cruz on Monday, threatening to sue the Texas senator over his eligibility for office if he does not retract alleged “lies” about Trump’s positions – and calling on the Republican National Committee to intervene on two fronts.

    The billionaire businessman wants the RNC to pressure Cruz, and also stop allowing so many donors at the debates. If the RNC does not “get its act together,” Trump warned, they would be violating the “pledge” he signed to support the eventual GOP nominee.
    I think he should sue.

    Cruz either has a CRBA from the State Department or he does not. For a citizen born outside the United States that document is the proof that you were born as a citizen of the United States, just as a US birth certificate is the proof that you were born here as a citizen if you are born in the United States, as I've written on before.

    But there's more here that Trump has every right to be angry over. First, the GOP misappropriated his name and likeness to solicit donations for the GOP. They recently solicited donations allegedly for "Trump supporters" but the funds they were soliciting will go to the GOP generally, not to Trump's campaign, and they did it without his permission.

    Absent some sort of formal agreement by Trump to allow his name and likeness to be used in this fashion that's an outrageous abuse and breaks a number of laws, including the fact that the GOP needs a photo release for the picture they used since it was used for commercial, not editorial, purpose.

    The law on such is quite-clear, incidentally. I can take a photo of you (provided I have or acquire the copyright) and use it for editorial purpose, or for that matter I can sell the image as a work of art. But if I use that image to sell something (e.g. a brand of soda, a brand of shirt, etc) then I have to have a release from every person in the picture or I've violated your rights and the person who does the advertising (not the photographer) can be sued and will probably lose.

    Well, GOP? Where's your photo release? You don't have one, do you?

    That's what I thought.

    Then there is the stacking of debate audiences, "strategic" placement of microphones in the stacked portions of the audience and worse, blatant electronic "enhancement" of both boos and cheers, all of which has happened in the last two "contests."

    Remember that Trump signed his pledge to the Republican Party under the specific condition that his candidacy be treated fairly.

    Any one of the above would be a clear violation of that constraint and thus free him from his pledge. But he doesn't have one violation, he has at least three, never mind the phony GOP solicitation made under his name but for the GOP's benefit, not his.

    There's a basic reality that the GOP has to face here: The establishment GOP is not in charge when it comes to Trump, nor for that matter, are they in charge when it comes to voters.

    They may think they are but we have a candidate in the race this time around who is more than willing to stick up the middle finger when it's called for -- and in my opinion that line was crossed quite some time ago with all the phony promises of "reducing spending", "erasing the deficit", "enforcing the rule of law" and similar flat-out lies.

    As for people like Starnes who wish to blame Republican voters for "screwing this up" by refusing to vote for Romney **** you with a rusty chainsaw. Neither I or anyone else is under any obligation to vote for anyone or to vote at all.

    The party that wishes me to vote for their candidate instead of either staying home or voting for Cthulu has the affirmative obligation to run a candidate worth voting for, and if they cannot be bothered to do that they deserve to be destroyed as a political force in this or any other nation.

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    As for people like Starnes who wish to blame Republican voters for "screwing this up" by refusing to vote for Romney **** you with a rusty chainsaw. Neither I or anyone else is under any obligation to vote for anyone or to vote at all.

    The party that wishes me to vote for their candidate instead of either staying home or voting for Cthulu has the affirmative obligation to run a candidate worth voting for, and if they cannot be bothered to do that they deserve to be destroyed as a political force in this or any other nation.
    That's all well and good, but do not forget that tangible, perhaps irreversible harm is done when the alternatives are elected due to abstaining from voting (R). See: obamacare. open borders and the legacy that does/will entail. Supreme court nominations (Kagan, Sotomayor, next-??? don't forget any of those justices could drop dead at any moment, they're allllll within range of a fatal cardiac or neural event. Hell, ginsburg was a complete selfish idiot (for liberals, not conservatives lol) for not retiring from '08 to a year ago when it would have been a slam-dunk for obummer to nominate another Kagan/Soto in her place). AG nominations who let themselves and other departments get away with egregious crimes against the country (F&F, lois lerner at the IRS targetting conservatives, hillary emailgate, holder's big-bank circlejerkism http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-cold-20150708 , the trade deals, the chance of another AWB, etc etc that's just off the top of my head.

    Is all of that concrete hurt worth the raspberry you give to the establishment that already has all the money and power they amicably trade back and forth with the other side of the same coin, the dems? The GOP might not hold up to the exact standards you want them to, but by not voting for them, you vote *by default* for the dems who WILL do their damnedest to make you live how THEY want you to live. Of zero consequence besides your conscience (and again, totally up to you, but don't pretend you're doing the better tangible good) is your absent vote. Tell me again how Romney rues the day he couldn't get you to come out and vote for him, or how bad Cantor, Boehner, or Ryan are doing after they lost, quit, or just aren't your favorite. People like obummer, biden, and hillary would send you a thank you card for your actions if they had your address.
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