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    If a situation got dire enough to merit a draft, there'd be plenty of military roles to fill that weren't on the front lines.

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    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...e84983262.html
    Marine Corps leaders initially balked at allowing women into certain infantry, reconnaissance and combat engineer jobs, pointing to studies that showed mixed gender units did not perform as well as male-only units. But Defense Secretary Ash Carter ordered all combat jobs open to women.

    The Marines developed a detailed progression of physical standards that recruits must meet to get into the combat jobs. And officials insist that standards will not be lowered to allow more women to pass.

    Nearly 86 percent of the women failed the tests, compared with less than 3 percent of the men.
    Men and women are the same

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    Men and other men aren't the same.

    See: Gersh Kunzman

    Objective standards (if they exist or can be established) should determine which jobs should be available to people who are able to meet those standards.

    If accurate shooting was the only criteria for infantry service, there are plenty of women that would outpace plenty of men. Clearly there are other areas, both physically and mentally that go into making a warrior.

    Of those who have served, how much say did you have on who served in your unit with you? Leadership is about building a team with what you are given to work with and then accomplishing a mission with that team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    Men and other men aren't the same.

    See: Gersh Kunzman

    Objective standards (if they exist or can be established) should determine which jobs should be available to people who are able to meet those standards.

    If accurate shooting was the only criteria for infantry service, there are plenty of women that would outpace plenty of men. Clearly there are other areas, both physically and mentally that go into making a warrior.

    Of those who have served, how much say did you have on who served in your unit with you? Leadership is about building a team with what you are given to work with and then accomplishing a mission with that team.

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    Some, but when I served, gays were not allowed - meaning the military was not as much of a political social experiment as it is today.
    Also, those who could not hack it were easily removed. I'm not sure today's climate allows the same.

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    One of the finest leaders I have served under is a woman and she us also one of the best pilots I have flown with. She retired a couple years ago. Uncle Sam screwed up when he let her leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Some, but when I served, gays were not allowed.
    Take off your blinders, if you think you didn't serve with any gays.

    You're always promoting looking at history. Do some research. Gays have been in our society for a long time. They are particularly adept at blending in, when necessary. We often never find out until well after the fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crays View Post
    Take off your blinders, if you think you didn't serve with any gays.

    You're always promoting looking at history. Do some research. Gays have been in our society for a long time. They are particularly adept at blending in, when necessary. We often never find out until well after the fact.

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    Typical davsel response. No words.

    Relying on links, emojis, memes , etc.

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    I assumed a picture of Captain Obvious would suffice.

    If not, here are some words.
    I've never said I did not serve with gays.
    I've never said gays have not been in our society for a long time.

    I'm not sure what your point was, considering you are making statements about ideas I have never promoted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Some, but when I served, gays were not allowed -.

    Just thought this statement was a bit naive. Kind of came across to me as "not allowed-didn't exist" in the context put forth.

    Captain Obvious? Not really. Go back and re-read your post. You might see how it could be mis-construed.

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