Just heard this;

[Aloha_Shooter]

I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.

LEGAL immigrants increase affluence. You are pushing the same BS the liberal media is in equating ILLEGAL aliens with legal immigrants. It's not the same thing.

Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.

My great grandparents all came here legally. They complied with immigration laws as they existed at the time.

If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced.

Strawman arguments. The problem most people have isn't with immigrants, it's with ILLEGAL aliens who have already violated the laws and are being used as pawns here to subvert the political system.

[theGinsue]

The oil-change sticker on your windshield is in violation of Windshield Obstruction laws. The taillight was out. Failed to indicate your turn. Any LEO who wants to pull someone over can find a reason for it.

It will be interesting to see if there is any financial impact on Arizona. I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.

Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.

If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced. I don't know many people who do construction or service industry work.

H.

I have no problem with the LEGAL immigration system as it is written. There is a system in place to become a legal immigrant or even a U.S. citizen. No, not everyone is going to get selected for this opportunity. Not EVERYONE who applies can immigrate - for a variety of reasons - including having a quota. Hey, I wanna win the danged Powerball lottery, but not everyone can win, only 2 numbers get picked each week. If my number isn't one of them - guess what? I don't get to win. Lifes tough. If things are so bad in Mexico, CHANGE IT, don't come here and bring us down too.

Perhaps some "immigrants increase affluence", but a deluge (and let's face it - that's what we have with the U.S.-Mexican border!) will only bring us down.

"give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years"?

How about we
Step 1- kick out all of the illegals so we don't have to waste taxpayer dollars on them. We reform welfare so we can quit wasting money on societies lazy lying moochers. We use the newly freed up money to actually invest in our education system for OUR CITIZENS.
Step 2 - We bring back jobs to the U.S. by
(a) controlling the devastating effects of unions and
(b) decrease the personal and corporate tax rates (especially the rates we charge to businesses to do business.
(c) reduce government and get it's nose out of everything - especially reconsider most of the government regulation in place, more often than not, it's hurting us.

[theGinsue]

I'm in construction,, Just sayin'. Not sure if I get the implication..

You got a green card there Paco?

[sniper7]

It is absolutely amazing to me that you some of you guys think I'm talking about the law that just passed. I've got no problem with the law. I have a problem with people being racist.

Sniper, when I get cornered when I'm wrong, I try to change the subject by pointing out things irrelevant to the subject too. This thread is chalk full of racism. You don't hate Mexican's because you work with black people and got propositioned by a pimp?

you can have a problem with people being racist all you want. By me pointing out things that I see daily while at home and to say that those actions draw attention to those people does not constitute you being able to call me a racist. again, you don't know me, you have never met me, all you have done is read what I post on the internet.
as to my alluding to who I work with, that was to counter you saying I am a racist against blacks, Mexicans and everyone else who isn't white. please enlighten me to when the next Klan meeting is....again, you don't know me so stop spouting off like you think you do.

you are the one who brought race into the thread. I pointed out what would be a cause for an individual to get attention drawn to them that a police officer might suspect as that person possibly being illegal. I never said I hated the people who brought that attention to themselves. the only thing I said I hated was the golf cart wheels on trucks because I think it looks ridiculous and diminishes the value of having a truck.

so call it how you see it but at the end of the day you are the one in this thread who is looking and acting like a fool. I call it how I see it, you call it how you see it. I am guessing most people are going to see it my way.

[sniper7]

If things are so bad in Mexico, CHANGE IT, don't come here and bring us down too.

precisely. and as far as I know everyone on here is pissed about the Californians coming to our state and turning it into a more liberal state because they can't understand they left cali for a reason and cali is failing for a reason.
everyone should be in agreement that since mexico sucks so bad, creating little mexicos across the country is going to suck all the same.

[theGinsue]

Rasmussen reports 70% of likely voters in AZ approve of the new law. Only 23% of likely voters in Arizona agree with Barack Obama and oppose the bill.

Gov Brewer's approval rating is 16 points higher than it was two weeks ago.

Yeah, well, ACORN hasn't done their magic yet. When all is said and done, we'll see 15% more AZ voters than there are residents in the state - all voting against the law. And the powers that be still won't seem to notice the voter fraud.

[theGinsue]

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigration [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]law[/color][/color][/color].

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

•Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

•[COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]Immigration [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]officials[/color][/color][/color] must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

•Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

•The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

•Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]illegal [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigrants[/color][/color][/color]. (Article 73)

•A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

•A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

•Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

•Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

•Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

•Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

•Foreigners who violate the terms of their [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]visa[/color][/color] may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]illegal [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigration[/color][/color][/color] is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

•"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

•Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

•Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

•A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

•Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

The hypocrisy is that Mexico is FREAKING OUT about AZ's new law and saying it's racist, excessive, and inappropriate. Their laws are exponentially more restrictive and anti-immigration that ours are.

[sniper7]

The hypocrisy is that Mexico is FREAKING OUT about AZ's new law and saying it's racist, excessive, and inappropriate. Their laws are exponentially more restrictive and anti-immigration that ours are.

same with gun laws

[Irving]

I refuse to succumb to any "white guilt" and at the same time, I don't demand anyone else to have guilt for people of the same color as they are. I wasn't aware that being an ambassador to the undesirables in the country you ran from was part of citizenship.

[sniper7]

I refuse to succumb to any "white guilt" and at the same time, I don't demand anyone else to have guilt for people of the same color as they are. I wasn't aware that being an ambassador to the undesirables in the country you ran from was part of citizenship.

I still don't see my apology thread posted yet...